Derby Tickets

[hibsbollah]

Those people coming up with the 'pay it or don't pay it,thats life' line are ignoring the long term financial impact of a generation of kids not becoming regular attendees at games. The Motherwell policy is about long term gain, you can't measure the impact and use it as proof cut price tickets don't work merely by looking at one or two seasons' accounts. I personally can 'afford' to go to games like this but I just wouldn't because it's not value for money and I won't take my kids either. Having so many fixtures at the toughest time of year for families doesn't help either. Its almost as if Scottish football as a whole wants to make it harder to go to games

[lyonhibs]

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Those people coming up with the 'pay it or don't pay it,thats life' line are ignoring the long term financial impact of a generation of kids not becoming regular attendees at games. The Motherwell policy is about long term gain, you can't measure the impact and use it as proof cut price tickets don't work merely by looking at one or two seasons' accounts. I personally can 'afford' to go to games like this but I just wouldn't because it's not value for money and I won't take my kids either. Having so many fixtures at the toughest time of year for families doesn't help either. Its almost as if Scottish football as a whole wants to make it harder to go to games

I was talking about the Motherwell policy that didn't just impact a couple of seasons bottom line a wee bit but played a part in leading them to going into administration when Boyle was at the helm (in partnership with the high wages they paid to the likes of Spencer etc). That's not a price worth paying.

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For me, to get a kid hooked on going to Hibs (or any given team) games, away games at Tynecastle/big rivals aren't part of that landscape, at least not initially. Getting them down ER/home ground regularly and enjoying the experience is key, as is and then keeping them coming back for more, and that's where clubs could show a bit more imagination as far as matchday experience and ticket varieties go.

[hibsbollah]

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I was talking about the Motherwell policy that didn't just impact a couple of seasons bottom line a wee bit but played a part in leading them to going into administration when Boyle was at the helm (in partnership with the high wages they paid to the likes of Spencer etc). That's not a price worth paying.

http://www.motherwell-mad.co.uk/feat...10/index.shtml

For me, to get a kid hooked on going to Hibs (or any given team) games, away games at Tynecastle/big rivals aren't part of that landscape, at least not initially. Getting them down ER/home ground regularly and enjoying the experience is key, as is and then keeping them coming back for more, and that's where clubs could show a bit more imagination as far as matchday experience and ticket varieties go.

Disagree. Most kids are very canny consumers. Speaking for my son, the games he wants to go to are derby games and the OF, and of course European games if that ever happens. It probably gives playground kudos and currency, but he's probably just like the rest of us, he wants the big game atmosphere that makes it all worthwhile.

[lyonhibs]

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Disagree. Most kids are very canny consumers. Speaking for my son, the games he wants to go to are derby games and the OF, and of course European games if that ever happens. It probably gives playground kudos and currency, but he's probably just like the rest of us, he wants the big game atmosphere that makes it all worthwhile.

I'm not sure how old your son is, but I did say "at least initially" in my post.

What I meant was if he can't go to a game at Tynecastle because of the price, is that going to make him chuck in supporting Hibs? I'm sure not - Hibs games at ER are the real hook (or at least were for me) as a kid and, like I said, home games are where more effort/imagination should be used by teams as far as ticketing options/pricing structures go.

Tynecastle away just isn't ever, IMO, going to return to £15/£5 or £20/£10 (or whatever more affordable - for fans - price structure is deemed suitably socialist in nature ) again, unless Scotland gets some absolutely cushty TV deal that would guarantee to replace the lost revenue that returning to those prices would lead to.

[CMurdoch]

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Disagree. Most kids are very canny consumers. Speaking for my son, the games he wants to go to are derby games and the OF, and of course European games if that ever happens. It probably gives playground kudos and currency, but he's probably just like the rest of us, he wants the big game atmosphere that makes it all worthwhile.

Football clubs in Scotland have lots of spare capacity so offer mega cheap season tickets to kids to:
hook them as supporters for life
force their already hooked parent to continue their own addiction whilst helping to indoctrinate their child
create a lifetime bond between the child and the parent of going to games together.
In short a strategy of harvesting new customers whilst ensuring existing ones remain for many years to come.

However, demand far outweighs supply for glamour games against Celtic, Rangers and most of all Hearts. These games are therefore kept separate by clubs from the above strategy. The home team wants to maximise the revenue they can make from these games and therefore don't offer cheap kids tickets for those games. The truth is they would sell zero tickets at concession prices if they could get away with it.

As I said before, Football clubs spend every working moment trying to get as much money out of supporters as possible. Money making ventures are us. From hospitality, hall of fame dinners to a dugs lead in your team colours. Capitalism, the nasty gift that keeps on taking. Love it or loathe it, it's here to stay.

[lyonhibs]

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Football clubs in Scotland have lots of spare capacity so offer mega cheap season tickets to kids to:
hook them as supporters for life
force their already hooked parent to continue their own addiction whilst helping to indoctrinate their child
create a lifetime bond between the child and the parent of going to games together.
In short a strategy of harvesting new customers whilst ensuring existing ones remain for many years to come.

However, demand far outweighs supply for glamour games against Celtic, Rangers and most of all Hearts. These games are therefore kept separate by clubs from the above strategy. The home team wants to maximise the revenue they can make from these games and therefore don't offer cheap kids tickets for those games. The truth is they would sell zero tickets at concession prices if they could get away with it.

As I said before, Football clubs spend every working moment trying to get as much money out of supporters as possible. Money making ventures are us. From hospitality, hall of fame dinners to a dugs lead in your team colours. Capitalism, the nasty gift that keeps on taking. Love it or loathe it, it's here to stay.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

£34 is disgusting for any football match, and certainly for SPL football. Something needs to be done by the clubs to put a cap on pricing. Many fans are being priced out of the game, which will be damaging in the long term. Wasn't it £52 for the Old Firm match at Ibrox this season? I made a decision that £35 would by limit for this game, so I will try to get a ticket, but I do feel I'm being taken for a fool the these prices. A boycott would only work if everyone refused to pay £34, but then there are AST holders who have no choice but to pay it. The clubs are exploiting the loyalty football fans have towards their club.

[hibsbollah]

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Football clubs in Scotland have lots of spare capacity so offer mega cheap season tickets to kids to:
hook them as supporters for life
force their already hooked parent to continue their own addiction whilst helping to indoctrinate their child
create a lifetime bond between the child and the parent of going to games together.
In short a strategy of harvesting new customers whilst ensuring existing ones remain for many years to come.

However, demand far outweighs supply for glamour games against Celtic, Rangers and most of all Hearts. These games are therefore kept separate by clubs from the above strategy. The home team wants to maximise the revenue they can make from these games and therefore don't offer cheap kids tickets for those games. The truth is they would sell zero tickets at concession prices if they could get away with it.

As I said before, Football clubs spend every working moment trying to get as much money out of supporters as possible. Money making ventures are us. From hospitality, hall of fame dinners to a dugs lead in your team colours. Capitalism, the nasty gift that keeps on taking. Love it or loathe it, it's here to stay.

I know we're in the middle of an election campaign, where empty labels are de rigeur but political economy has nothing to do with the question at hand. This isn't about capitalism Vs socialism, it's about smart long term business planning by generating a loyal consumer base, against mindless short term thinking, alienating your consumer base. £34 is too much for the product at hand; people have other demands on their wallets. Keep taking the pish, and it'll come back to bite you eventually.

[Yorkshire HFC]

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I know we're in the middle of an election campaign, where empty labels are de rigeur but political economy has nothing to do with the question at hand. This isn't about capitalism Vs socialism, it's about smart long term business planning by generating a loyal consumer base, against mindless short term thinking, alienating your consumer base. £34 is too much for the product at hand; people have other demands on their wallets. Keep taking the pish, and it'll come back to bite you eventually.

But the fans still demand big name signings. How do you expect them to be financed?

[The Modfather]

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But the fans still demand big name signings. How do you expect them to be financed?

I thought the fans expected Hibs to spend within their means and spend what we do have well.

[southern hibby]

For several years teams like Kilmarnock, Motherwell etc manage to do good in the SPL on their budgets and yet they charge less than we do for a game. Just a thought but if every team capped the away end to £20-£22 that would be a start.

we spend money for the ticket, then between £10-£15 for the supporters bus depending on where it is going to and on top of that something to eat ( if you fancy a pint then that’s even more ). It’s expensive going to the football just by yourself but if you take a kid like some on the supporters bus do then it’s an expensive day out.

GGTTH.

[Hibs4185]

Can the fans rep not mention to the board the ridiculous pricing? I’m fairly sure we will return the compliment of £34 but at least at Easter road they don’t sit in a death trap with half sized seats.

[Yorkshire HFC]

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I thought the fans expected Hibs to spend within their means and spend what we do have well.

And that’s why we only qualify for Europe once in blue moon.

[The Modfather]

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And that’s why we only qualify for Europe once in blue moon.

I’m maybe picking you up wrongly, but are you saying we should spend money we don’t have or that the fans need to pay more if we want to qualify for Europe more often?

I think the support more than does it’s bit financially. Hibs should be finding outside investment and growing revenue streams. It shouldn’t fall to the fans to pay ever increasing ticket prices in order to experience more success.

[B.H.F.C]

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For several years teams like Kilmarnock, Motherwell etc manage to do good in the SPL on their budgets and yet they charge less than we do for a game. Just a thought but if every team capped the away end to £20-£22 that would be a start.

we spend money for the ticket, then between £10-£15 for the supporters bus depending on where it is going to and on top of that something to eat ( if you fancy a pint then that’s even more ). It’s expensive going to the football just by yourself but if you take a kid like some on the supporters bus do then it’s an expensive day out.

GGTTH.

The ironic thing is that if prices were capped, there are ten teams who suffer for it whilst the only two who wouldn’t, are the big two.

Capping prices would take a lot of money out of clubs. The big category A games are terribly overpriced but I think most clubs try to do something in terms of family pricing do they not?

[CMurdoch]

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I know we're in the middle of an election campaign, where empty labels are de rigeur but political economy has nothing to do with the question at hand. This isn't about capitalism Vs socialism, it's about smart long term business planning by generating a loyal consumer base, against mindless short term thinking, alienating your consumer base. £34 is too much for the product at hand; people have other demands on their wallets. Keep taking the pish, and it'll come back to bite you eventually.

The tickets will sell out on the 1st day.
That delivers the clear message that sufficient Hibs supporters are willing to pay £34.

The only time they will think about reducing the price is if they don't sell all the tickets.
Hearts need to worry about pricing their own supporters out but not Hibs supporters UNLESS we stop buying the tickets.

I would be interested to see what price would be Hibs fans breaking point.
We have 5 times as many season ticket holders as there are tickets available so that price might be pretty damn high.

[percy veer]

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The tickets will sell out on the 1st day.
That delivers the clear message that sufficient Hibs supporters are willing to pay £34.

The only time they will think about reducing the price is if they don't sell all the tickets.
Hearts need to worry about pricing their own supporters out but not Hibs supporters UNLESS we stop buying the tickets.

I would be interested as see what price would be Hibs fans breaking point.
We have 5 times as many season ticket holders as there are tickets available so that price might be pretty damn high.

test hearts resolve first next derby £40 a ticket.

[California-Hibs]

Best games of the season, especially special away from home. The price is incomparable to the experience, even more so if we win. Games I would never ever miss when I lived in Scotland.

[HibeeHibernian4]

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Best games of the season, especially special away from home. The price is incomparable to the experience, even more so if we win. Games I would never ever miss when I lived in Scotland.

Actually, they're easily some of the worst. And the atmosphere often isn't very good either.

[Hermit Crab]

There won’t be a mad rush tomorrow now that the team are back to normal.

[Keith_M]

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There won’t be a mad rush tomorrow now that the team are back to normal.

Do you actually enjoy writing this stuff or are you doing it (perhaps ironically) to preserve your online persona?

[Pretty Boy]

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There won’t be a mad rush tomorrow now that the team are back to normal.

The system will be the usual logjam and they will be sold out by mid afternoon at the latest.

The 'New Year' derby has always been the most attractive fixture on the calendar, even when selling out Tynecastle was a struggle it was the one game there that everyone wanted to go to. I've often argued you get unfairly treated on here by some but I'm not sure if you really believe this won't be a game that sees huge demand or if it's just mischief making for the sake of it.

[JimBHibees]

Do you need to login before 12 or after it? Honest answers only please

[mvteng]

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Do you need to login before 12 or after it? Honest answers only please

just tried to login and have got a screen saying I cant log in, there are 36 people in a queue ahead of me. Never seen that before

[Diclonius]

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There won’t be a mad rush tomorrow now that the team are back to normal.

I don't imagine it'll have a huge effect on sales. There may be a smaller proportion of the people who claim before the game that we're "gonna pump them" and are then screaming abuse at the team when it's still 0-0 after 20 minutes - i.e. the people who aren't usually accustomed to the Hibernian Tynecastle Experience™.

[Pretty Boy]

Only 2 ahead of me in the queue apparently......

[green day]

I am in, but its not showing Hearts match yet

[Hermit Crab]

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Only 2 ahead of me in the queue apparently......

146 ahead of me.

[Diclonius]

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Only 2 ahead of me in the queue apparently......

Mine has remained static at 331 ever since I clicked on the page. Is it supposed to change?

[Hermit Crab]

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I am in, but its not showing Hearts match yet

You might get booted out at 12.