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    Ach, it was tongue in cheek. Anyway, I'd like hb back.
    What happened to hb?


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    I like his policies on housing and education. He's not convinced me he can be PM though with his handling of the antisemitism furore.
    I'm still voting Labour!
    Me too. But itís tactical to try and unseat the local Tory and it probably wonít work.
    A large Tory majority with the great buffoon in charge will ensure the break up of the UK in the next decade. The Tories wonít care about this they have become a right wing little englander party.
    One side of me thinks the morons who voted for Brexit deserve what is coming to them. But on the other hand I feel sorry for them.

    I would think it wonít be too long before the scapegoating will start in earnest, being BAME, Muslim, Irish, Ďforeigní will become rather unpleasant in places like where I live (East Midlands).

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    I despise the Labour party almost as much as I despise the Tories.
    They have an open goal from 2 yards out, unfortunately Jeremy is the man on the ball.
    He isn't even looking to shoot, never mind score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs View Post
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    I despise the Labour party almost as much as I despise the Tories.
    They have an open goal from 2 yards out, unfortunately Jeremy is the man on the ball.
    He isn't even looking to shoot, never mind score.
    Heíd prefer sit with some likeminded fellows in the 18 yard box and try to redefine the semantics of the rules of the game thatís going on around him.

    Bloody SWP theorist!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    Heíd prefer sit with some likeminded fellows in the 18 yard box and try to redefine the semantics of the rules of the game thatís going on around him.

    Bloody SWP theorist!!
    More likely the board would go into the last game of the season and play the reserves as they knew that promotion would be disaster at this point.

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    Funny there was no mention of anti-semetism when Ed Milliband was the Leader
    of the Labour Party .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty Boop View Post
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    Funny there was no mention of anti-semetism when Ed Milliband was the Leader
    of the Labour Party .
    What do you think the reason for that was?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    What do you think the reason for that was?
    I'm not sure you're even allowed to think it any more.

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    I'm a bit fed up with Jeremy but he still gets my vote on the day because of the radical policies in his manifesto, particularly on housing, education and waspi women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heretoday View Post
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    I'm a bit fed up with Jeremy but he still gets my vote on the day because of the radical policies in his manifesto, particularly on housing, education and waspi women.
    Waspi was not costed in the manifesto.

    Was todayís announcement of 1/3 off rail fares?

    They got a bit of a bounce in 2017 from making late financial commitments like on student loans but it feels like they are promising anything that comes into their heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    Waspi was not costed in the manifesto.

    Was todayís announcement of 1/3 off rail fares?

    They got a bit of a bounce in 2017 from making late financial commitments like on student loans but it feels like they are promising anything that comes into their heads.
    The man in your avatar would definitely have supported such policies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colr View Post
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    Waspi was not costed in the manifesto.

    Was todayís announcement of 1/3 off rail fares?

    They got a bit of a bounce in 2017 from making late financial commitments like on student loans but it feels like they are promising anything that comes into their heads.
    Itís totally mental...how you can just cook up cutting fares by a third, making travel free for under 16ís and then pretend itís all costed and affordable is beyond me.

    Waspi women, £55bn? No problem.

    Nationalise huge swathes of industry? £xxbn. No problem.

    Free broadband for all. £25bn - £150bn depending on who you listen to. No problem.

    HS2? No problem.

    Free double glazing and boilers for some, everyone else can get them to with grants and interest free loans. No problem.

    Free uni education and 6 years free education for everyone else. No problem.

    5% pay rise for all public workers. Even more billions. No problem.

    The list goes on and on...so much so they havenít actually worked out what they are going to spend all the billions on!

    We really have travelled into the twilight zone in this election.

    Radical is one way of describing it...not quite the term I would use though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Itís totally mental...how you can just cook up cutting fares by a third, making travel free for under 16ís and then pretend itís all costed and affordable is beyond me.

    Waspi women, £55bn? No problem.

    Nationalise huge swathes of industry? £xxbn. No problem.

    Free broadband for all. £25bn - £150bn depending on who you listen to. No problem.

    HS2? No problem.

    Free double glazing and boilers for some, everyone else can get them to with grants and interest free loans. No problem.

    Free uni education and 6 years free education for everyone else. No problem.

    5% pay rise for all public workers. Even more billions. No problem.

    The list goes on and on...so much so they havenít actually worked out what they are going to spend all the billions on!

    We really have travelled into the twilight zone in this election.

    Radical is one way of describing it...not quite the term I would use though.
    Itís embarrassing that anyone thinks itís a serious offer. The only reason I wish him well is because I would like a hung parliament and there is zero chance he could win a majority. There would be a financial collapse if this plan had any hope of being introduced.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Itís embarrassing that anyone thinks itís a serious offer. The only reason I wish him well is because I would like a hung parliament and there is zero chance he could win a majority. There would be a financial collapse if this plan had any hope of being introduced.


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    There are financial collapses regardless of how governments spend. Give them enough rope.

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    Essentially Corbyn is a protestor and a best an influencer but not a leader. I am a life long card carrying Labour Party member, but the reality of a Labour Party toiling against this horrifying ideologically motivated Tory Party is all the evidence needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY View Post
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    Essentially Corbyn is a protestor and a best an influencer but not a leader. I am a life long card carrying Labour Party member, but the reality of a Labour Party toiling against this horrifying ideologically motivated Tory Party is all the evidence needed.
    Many of us joined the Labour party but seem to have been taken over by the SWP

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    Quote Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY View Post
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    Essentially Corbyn is a protestor and a best an influencer but not a leader. I am a life long card carrying Labour Party member, but the reality of a Labour Party toiling against this horrifying ideologically motivated Tory Party is all the evidence needed.
    I think Labours problems started long before Corbyn. Let's face it he's done better than Milliband.

    Ed summed up the disconnect between the party and the people it was supposed to represent. It saw movement to the SNP in Scotland, and fanned the flames of English Nationalism too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cataplana View Post
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    I think Labours problems started long before Corbyn. Let's face it he's done better than Milliband.

    Ed summed up the disconnect between the party and the people it was supposed to represent. It saw movement to the SNP in Scotland, and fanned the flames of English Nationalism too.
    I will stand up for Miliband. He stood up to Rupert Murdoch and the Daily Mail and changed the power balance with the press. The NOTW got closed down and nobody seriously thinks the print press has the sway it had in eighties or early-mid nineties. Everything is online now and Fleet Street papers have no hegemony over reporting, it is splintered and people take their reportage from a variety of sources, albeit unfortunately probably less objective and neutral than in previous times.

    Miliband also stood up to the energy companies and vested interests in a manner which no other contemporary politician could claim to.

    Where I think we may agree is that, in an unintended way, he tried to set a tone of populism. His populism was of the left, of social justice, of equity, of resentment against vested interests, against certain institutions.

    The problem was that his arguments were equally able to be voiced by the right. Against the EU, against the welfare state, against the public sector.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    I donít think we do lean to the right though. Itís just that the left leaning vote splits multiple ways. The Tories now have the right to themselves.
    If the Tories win this election itís because they could be pragmatic and get a deal done with Farage and those on the left are too busy attacking each other.

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    Essentially exactly what I was saying. The right can ďfall inĒ the left fights amongst itself and wonders why it lost.

    Iím just saying the natural tendency of the U.K. voter (not saying the Scottish voter), is to tow the line. (Ie naturally Conservative, and loves an ďorderĒ to things).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    I will stand up for Miliband. He stood up to Rupert Murdoch and the Daily Mail and changed the power balance with the press. The NOTW got closed down and nobody seriously thinks the print press has the sway it had in eighties or early-mid nineties. Everything is online now and Fleet Street papers have no hegemony over reporting, it is splintered and people take their reportage from a variety of sources, albeit unfortunately probably less objective and neutral than in previous times.

    Miliband also stood up to the energy companies and vested interests in a manner which no other contemporary politician could claim to.

    Where I think we may agree is that, in an unintended way, he tried to set a tone of populism. His populism was of the left, of social justice, of equity, of resentment against vested interests, against certain institutions.

    The problem was that his arguments were equally able to be voiced by the right. Against the EU, against the welfare state, against the public sector.
    Canít believe you forgot about the EdStone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Canít believe you forgot about the EdStone!
    That was horrific.

    I felt a wee bit sorry for him when he stumbled off the step on Question Time but the unveiling of the Stone was only ever beaten in the cringeworthiness stakes when those Tories (Hague?) wore baseball caps to appeal cool in an attempt to relate to younger voters.

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    Is there anyone defending Jezza on hibs.net these days?

    Problem with Milliband was that he was always at the mercy of the daily news cycle. He was always reacting to things which made him look like a populist. He had no team behind him making sure he didnít constantly walk in to traps.
    People forget that when Blair took over Labour it was as part of a large team which managed his every move. Milliband had a chance to do that with his brother and other younger Labour Mpís at the time but decided to go on his own with the unions backing him. It didnít go well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Problem with Milliband was that he was always at the mercy of the daily news cycle. He was always reacting to things which made him look like a populist. He had no team behind him making sure he didnít constantly walk in to traps.
    People forget that when Blair took over Labour it was as part of a large team which managed his every move. Milliband has a chance to do that with his brother and other younger Labour Mpís at the time but decided to go on his own with the unions backing him. It didnít go well.


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    Labourís biggest problem over the past few years is that they havenít had an Alastair Campbell.

    Heís certainly a divisive figure but he understood the public and the importance of winning. Iíve gone from despising him to really quite liking him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    Labourís biggest problem over the past few years is that they havenít had an Alastair Campbell.

    Heís certainly a divisive figure but he understood the public and the importance of winning. Iíve gone from despising him to really quite liking him.
    Iraq killed the new Labour project. None of them ever really recovered. Nor did they deserve to.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Canít believe you forgot about the EdStone!
    But, but, but

    He was the first pol to successfully take on the Murdoch empire and played his part in the News of the World closing down. He was the only pol I think who stood up to the Daily Mail when they called his dad a traitor, disgusting but Ed stood up and made the case for his father, a fine and respected intellectual, and refuted the disgraceful and horrible invective. He was the first leader to call out energy companies for utter mismanagement and misappropriation of our energy bills.

    He is a bright guy, a decent guy, a likeable guy. Sincere, clever and self-deprecating.

    Given it looks like we have a choice between Johnson and Corbyn, I would be backing Ed.

    The stone wasnít great though
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Itís totally mental...how you can just cook up cutting fares by a third, making travel free for under 16ís and then pretend itís all costed and affordable is beyond me.

    Waspi women, £55bn? No problem.

    Nationalise huge swathes of industry? £xxbn. No problem.

    Free broadband for all. £25bn - £150bn depending on who you listen to. No problem.

    HS2? No problem.

    Free double glazing and boilers for some, everyone else can get them to with grants and interest free loans. No problem.

    Free uni education and 6 years free education for everyone else. No problem.

    5% pay rise for all public workers. Even more billions. No problem.

    The list goes on and on...so much so they havenít actually worked out what they are going to spend all the billions on!

    We really have travelled into the twilight zone in this election.

    Radical is one way of describing it...not quite the term I would use though.
    Why not? We live in a Post Truth World.

    You can say anything and not be held to account.

    Interesting article.

    https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/m...e4Olvs6lqQifzI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Iraq killed the new Labour project. None of them ever really recovered. Nor did they deserve to.


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    I wouldn't really argue with that, although the price we have all had to pay as a result has been massive, as there wasn't anything decent to replace it (you could argue that North of the border the independence movement has given many of us hope).

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