General election 2019

[Northernhibee]

Labour eating themselves from within. It'll be decades before they have a chance at power again, if at all if Scotland does become independent.

You can't reason someone out of a position that they've not been reasoned into and you'd have to imagine that the Cummings bull**** will keep the Tories in the north of England for a long, long time.

[Moulin Yarns]

And so it begins. This from a gynaecologist on twitter.


Okay turkeys, your Christmas vote is here!
Damian Green, Tory MP, on @lbc. “We all need to start paying towards an insurance type system to pay for our care.”

We healthcare types, who kept banging on, would rather not be right on this. We tried repeatedly to warn you.
#RIPNHS😢

[Jones28]

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And so it begins. This from a gynaecologist on twitter.


Okay turkeys, your Christmas vote is here!
Damian Green, Tory MP, on @lbc. “We all need to start paying towards an insurance type system to pay for our care.”

We healthcare types, who kept banging on, would rather not be right on this. We tried repeatedly to warn you.
#RIPNHS😢

With the NHS being in the hands of the Scottish government will it be protected against any such trade deals with the US/a switch to further privatised care?

[cabbageandribs1875]

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The returning officer was obviously a misogynist. 😂

i'm waiting on someone saying the RO is probably Fife Hibee





P.S. if you're perusing this FH....slainte, hope yi enjoyed friday morning

[Ozyhibby]

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With the NHS being in the hands of the Scottish government will it be protected against any such trade deals with the US/a switch to further privatised care?

No, the UK govt still retains control over trade and will grant full market access if needed. The UK govt retains the right to shut Holyrood if it likes. It has already been to court to make sure powers coming back from Brussels that were supposed to go to Holyrood were instead taken to Westminster. Holyrood only operates with the consent of Westminster which is why the SNP are not considering any unsanctioned referendums.


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[Moulin Yarns]

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No, the UK govt still retains control over trade and will grant full market access if needed. The UK govt retains the right to shut Holyrood if it likes. It has already been to court to make sure powers coming back from Brussels that were supposed to go to Holyrood were instead taken to Westminster. Holyrood only operates with the consent of Westminster which is why the SNP are not considering any unsanctioned referendums.


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Keep your eyes open for the Sunday papers tomorrow. There is a rumour that one will have a front page headline that the current prime minister will move to repeal the Scotland Act.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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With the NHS being in the hands of the Scottish government will it be protected against any such trade deals with the US/a switch to further privatised care?

i'm not quite sure if it is protected


https://twitter.com/thesnp/status/11...295361?lang=en

[stoneyburn hibs]

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i'm waiting on someone saying the RO is probably Fife Hibee





P.S. if you're perusing this FH....slainte, hope yi enjoyed friday morning

Reported:

Possible misogynist liker.

[stoneyburn hibs]

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Keep your eyes open for the Sunday papers tomorrow. There is a rumour that one will have a front page headline that the current prime minister will move to repeal the Scotland Act.

Please be true.

[cabbageandribs1875]

former UKIP_Scotland leader and MEP David Coburn has now joined the conservatives, says he wants to help boris johnson "save the union" in any indyref2

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Possible misogynist liker.

stoap it

[Moulin Yarns]

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Please be true.

I don't know if it's true, you'll have to wait to see the papers like everyone else.

[stoneyburn hibs]

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stoap it

🤣

[stoneyburn hibs]

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I don't know if it's true, you'll have to wait to see the papers like everyone else.

Doubt it, but live in hope.

With the mad goings on of the last 3 years mibbies...

[Diclonius]

That the Prime Minister would try to shut Holyrood is utterly terrifying and entirely believable. I don't see how this would end well for us at all.

[stoneyburn hibs]

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That the Prime Minister would try to shut Holyrood is utterly terrifying and entirely believable. I don't see how this would end well for us at all.

Try and look a wee bit further.

Plate handing it on.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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That the Prime Minister would try to shut Holyrood is utterly terrifying and entirely believable. I don't see how this would end well for us at all.

copied from a fb page


The question which arises, as a direct result of the Tory defeat in Scotland and their victory in England, is not the one most independence campaigners are asking online.
Its not a question of what will Scots do now, to get legal agreement from Westminster, over the timing of the inevitable indyref.
Instead, the REAL question (at least in my own mind) is; To what lengths will Johnson's government go, to stop Scots voting on independence a second time?
Will they create a New act of union, which abolishes the nation of Scotland and turns it into region? Will Johnson legislate to end all devolution and close three Celtic nations parliaments?
It has been pointed out by learned legal minds, that our Scots' perception of Scotland as a NATION, has never been tested in court.
That if Prime Minister tried to close Holyrood, or dissempower it's legislation, then the First Minister and her experienced and formidable barrister, Joanna Cherry, would raise a class action on behalf of 5.5 million Scots.
Remember that Cherry and her associate, smashed Johnson's attempted 5 week closure of Parliament, by raising a Scots Court of Session case.
Not only that, but the English, so called "Supreme" Court, was forced to uphold the Scots challenge, (believe it or not) due to Act of union 1707, which states clearly that English and Scots law are equal. Neither judiciary can be challenged in the other's territory.
Which means, that legally speaking, ifJohnson attempted to suspend, close or de-power Holyrood, he personally would be sued by the entire nation of Scotland, for breaching UN articles which guarantee the right of nations to self determination.
So the question now is, what will the British Establishment make the new Prime Minister try, to prevent Scotland from exercising it's United Nations right, to HOLD a legal referendum, the result of which will be acknowledged by all other nations. (Even if England refuses to).
Because this isn't about permission. This is about legally establishing the identity of Scotland as a country, then gaining the agreement of all other democratic nations, to demand England recognise the result.
If Johnson wants trade deals, he MUST prove that Little old England is a democracy, and his precious union's rules, are followed, when one signatory (Scotland) decides to walk away.

[Glory Lurker]

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Keep your eyes open for the Sunday papers tomorrow. There is a rumour that one will have a front page headline that the current prime minister will move to repeal the Scotland Act.

The chap's a rocket, but I can't see him doing something as daft as that. I'll skinny dip in Loch Ness, etc.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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The chap's a rocket, but I can't see him doing something as daft as that. I'll skinny dip in Loch Ness, etc.

Agreed. Not even Bozo would that reckless.

[CloudSquall]

David Coburn, ex UKIP weirdo who called Humza Yousaf " Abu Hamza" , has joined the Conservatives.

David Coburn, Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins, One Nation Conservatism alright...

[Cataplana]

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And so it begins. This from a gynaecologist on twitter.


Okay turkeys, your Christmas vote is here!
Damian Green, Tory MP, on @lbc. “We all need to start paying towards an insurance type system to pay for our care.”

We healthcare types, who kept banging on, would rather not be right on this. We tried repeatedly to warn you.
#RIPNHS😢

What do you mean, it begins? It was at the centre of Labours campaign.

[Cataplana]

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Keep your eyes open for the Sunday papers tomorrow. There is a rumour that one will have a front page headline that the current prime minister will move to repeal the Scotland Act.

Totally in line with the gunboat diplomacy he and his transatlantic pal favour.

[RyeSloan]

Corbyn is brilliant.

Claiming today he won the argument and his manifesto will go down in history as historically important.

Well that’s certainly one way of describing a once in a hundred years defeat...

[G B Young]

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Sorry but when did he "strike the right tone"?

He's full of bull**** and soundbites and anybody who can't see that is a poor judge of character."One nation conservatism", just what the **** does that mean?

He's a self serving, narcissistic, waste of skin and I am utterly bemused as to why the UK public would want this excuse for a human being in No. 10.

He's claiming he'll get "Brexit Done" but hasn't a clue as to what that entails and how difficult it's going to be post 31st January to clear the debris (lol) and as for Tory claims that they are "the party of the working man" I really just don't know where to start.

This is someone brought to power on the back of demands by racists and bigots for a return to the days of England for Englishman. Remove Brexit and put him up against any half decent moderate Labour Party and he'd be completely ****ed.

He's in power by default and for you not to see how damaging this man is, bewilders me.

I'm not a religious man but genuinely don't know what to do other than pray for the weak and the needy in our society with this self serving, narcissistic, waste of skin heading up our country.

How we've got to a situation with this cock on one side of the Atlantic and Trump on the other is nothing short of incredible. I genuinely fear for my children and what the future holds for them.

I thought it struck the right tone because it was conciliatory, not triumphalist, and focused on thanking those who had made his victory possible - those many thousands of working class voters across swathes of once rock-solid Labour constituencies. That these voters, many of them from mining families for whom voting Labour was a birthright, felt they had more in common with Boris Johnson than Jeremy Corbyn is a damning indictment on the latter and his cosy Islington set with their romanticised view of the working class.

To follow that up by making his first port of call the north of England was smart thinking by Johnson and it seems clear enough to me that his reference to one-nation Conservatism means he plans to broaden his appeal to all sectors of society.

Again, just my opinion. I'm not expecting you to agree.

[Smartie]

I actually thought it was a very good article by Corbyn and it made many good points.

As expected, he reaches a totally incorrect conclusion in claiming to have won any argument, but he makes many good points nonetheless.

[danhibees1875]

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With the NHS being in the hands of the Scottish government will it be protected against any such trade deals with the US/a switch to further privatised care?

I wondered about this too. I thought it would be protected. However, my understanding is that if we do not negotiate a trade deal with the EU in time for leaving then we end up in the default position of trading under WTO rules. This exposes the English and Scottish NHS as under those rules if you have previously contracted with private companies to deliver healthcare (as both have) then the system as a whole has to be open to bids.

I could be wrong or have misinterpreted it, but that's from this article with Harry Burns, the former chief medical officer:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18039598.trump-trade-deal-nhs-risks-scotlands-health-service-real---overblown/

[Cataplana]

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That the Prime Minister would try to shut Holyrood is utterly terrifying and entirely believable. I don't see how this would end well for us at all.

The problem is the Scots will just lie down and take it. He knows what a supine, forelock tugging race we really are. All noise when nothing will come of it, but "a big boy did and ran away", the minute we have a chance to fight back.

Experts at pushing from the back.

Edit: sorry, I just can't get the image of Paul's wife telling him to shut up and eat his cereal out of my head.

[Cataplana]

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I thought it struck the right tone because it was conciliatory, not triumphalist, and focused on thanking those who had made his victory possible - those many thousands of working class voters across swathes of once rock-solid Labour constituencies. That these voters, many of them from mining families for whom voting Labour was a birthright, felt they had more in common with Boris Johnson than Jeremy Corbyn is a damning indictment on the latter and his cosy Islington set with their romanticised view of the working class.

To follow that up by making his first port of call the north of England was smart thinking by Johnson and it seems clear enough to me that his reference to one-nation Conservatism means he plans to broaden his appeal to all sectors of society.

Again, just my opinion. I'm not expecting you to agree.

It's as much a damning indictment on them, and their knowledge of history as anything else. They fell for a snake oil salesman selling them a universal panacea for all their perceived ailments, it's very hard to feel sorry for people who are that stupid they pay money for a cure to an illness that doesn't exist.

They are a disgrace to the previous generations who had the gumption to organise and demand better. They do not seem to have the imagination to ask for more (or even worse they don't realise how well off they actually are.) In this new version of the politics of envy the only thing they can aim for is that everyone else is worse off.

The cosy Islington set thing is bollocks, and Corbyn's team and policies are a million miles away from the days of Ed Milliband eating a bacon roll, or Peter Mandelson mistaking mushy peas for guacamole.

Nice spin, and not too much gloating in your post. It does come across as patronising and smug all the same.

[Just Alf]

With regards to the NHS in Scotland, even if it was 100% protected by the Scottish Government initially, if in rUK the NHS becomes partially funded by other avenues then this reduces the amount paid by the government directly to the NHS, as a result the payment to Scotland is proportionally reduced. The Scottish Government then either has to follow suit allowing other finance routes, take money from other areas or run the system on the reduced amount.

[RyeSloan]

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It's as much a damning indictment on them, and their knowledge of history as anything else. They fell for a snake oil salesman selling them a universal panacea for all their perceived ailments, it's very hard to feel sorry for people who are that stupid they pay money for a cure to an illness that doesn't exist.

They are a disgrace to the previous generations who had the gumption to organise and demand better. They do not seem to have the imagination to ask for more (or even worse they don't realise how well off they actually are.) In this new version of the politics of envy the only thing they can aim for is that everyone else is worse off.

The cosy Islington set thing is bollocks, and Corbyn's team and policies are a million miles away from the days of Ed Milliband eating a bacon roll, or Peter Mandelson mistaking mushy peas for guacamole.

Nice spin, and not too much gloating in your post. It does come across as patronising and smug all the same.

Do you ever stop for a second and wonder if actually those that have a different opinion from you might occasionally be correct and you wrong. Or at the very least the answer might be somewhere in the middle?

In your last two posts you have denigrated Scotland as a whole as being supine and forelock tugging (off the back of a made up response to a totally made up story) and called anyone who voted for Boris in the north of England as stupid and a disgrace.

The you have the audacity to call other posters as patronising and smug!