This is a great thread. Genuinely.
I don't venture much on to the Holy Ground these days but this thread has been worth it.
The toxic mix of an electorate, political leaders, political parties and a media that are all not fit for purpose means that currently every democratic event is largely a car crash of uninformed bad decision making.
I blame social media - everybody is in their own echo chamber reinforcing their own prejudice and mainlining on confirmation bias.
We have a political class north and south of the border that has given up on seeking to inform and illuminate discussion - the You Tube video up the thread of Benn and Jenkins debating underlines that. Instead all the politicians just hold up mirrors to the electorate with the sole ambition of reflecting back to them the bits of their images that make them most angry, scared or insecure to try to coralle votes on that basis. And it's all so depressingly short-term and spin-led.
The loss of consensus and the emphasis on black and white extremes is so profound that it seems irrecoverable. Maybe that's just what you have in a world where consumers can have whatever they want, in whatever shape, size or colour they want and they can have it right away. Everything is about me and personalised to the me. Not much room for objectivity in a subjectivity world.