Sergio Ramos

[Barman Stanton]

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25 red cards is more than the odd mistake. I doubt Maldini, Baresi, Cannavaro, Nesta, Costacurta and Chiellini have that between the lot of them.

A fantastic player, definitely one of the all time greats. A tier below all of those guys on pure defensive ability. Makes up for it in many other ways. Really don't see why that is so hard to fathom.

And I don’t see why people these days need to find fault in everything. I prefer to enjoy watching one of the best in his position without the need to get negative about him.

But yeah, regardless, I still don’t think your amassing the honours and appearances he has if you have bad positional sense.

[Here’s Lucy!]

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But yeah, regardless, I still don’t think your amassing the honours and appearances he has if you have bad positional sense.

I’ve been reading this wee exchange, and would like to add something.

I have redacted your post and left in the part that I think is relevant, bearing in mind that your whole point this afternoon has been about people claiming that Sergio Ramos has poor positional sense.

The discussion moved away away from this (red cards, yellow cards, fouls etc).

You have stuck to your guns on the topic in hand and, in the short sentence quoted above, have, in my opinion, proved your point.

Well played, sir.

[greenflyer]

I saw Atletico on Portugese TV on holiday and was so impressed that when I got home I put £5 on them at 20/1 to win the Champions League.
I was in Ibiza in the May following with £100 in the bag until the big bam jumped up and equalised in the last minute.

This was the same week Hibs got relegated. I had no bet on that.

[Haymaker]

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I saw Atletico on Portugese TV on holiday and was so impressed that when I got home I put £5 on them at 20/1 to win the Champions League.
I was in Ibiza in the May following with £100 in the bag until the big bam jumped up and equalised in the last minute.

This was the same week Hibs got relegated. I had no bet on that.

I had 20 on that game at 35/1. Got that price after the first knockout stage.

To say I was raging was an understatement.

Still, he's top drawer.

[Yorkshire HFC]

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Wouldn't take Ramos at Hibs!? He would be up there with the greatest to ever play for us (I,m thinking only George Best could possibly beat that). Hibs must have some of the most critical fans in world football.

George Best was nowhere near the best player to play for Hibs. McNamara and McLeod in that team were 100% better for starters.

And Ramos is a fantastic player.

[BILLYHIBS]

4 x La Liga
2 x Copa Del Rey
3 x Spanish Super League
4 x Champions League
4 x FIFA World Club Winner
1 v U19 UEFA Champions
1 x World Cup
2 x UEFA European Champions
10 x nominated for FIFA World 11
8 x nominated UEFA team of the year
2 x UEFA Defender of the year 2017 and 2018

690 professional appearances 90 goals

168 international caps 21 goals

Yet this fantastic footballer has no positional sense?

[Barman Stanton]

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George Best was nowhere near the best player to play for Hibs. McNamara and McLeod in that team were 100% better for starters.

And Ramos is a fantastic player.

Clearly I'm not talking about his time actually at Hibs. I'm talking about their status in the world game.

[MWHIBBIES]

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4 x La Liga
2 x Copa Del Rey
3 x Spanish Super League
4 x Champions League
4 x FIFA Club World Club Winner
1 v U19 UEFA Champions
1 x World Cup
2 x UEFA European Champions
10 x nominated for FIFA World 11
8 x nominated UEFA team of the year
2 x UEFA Defender of the year 2017 and 2018

690 professional appearances 90 goals

168 international caps 21 goals

Yet this fantastic footballer has no positional sense?

Who said he had no positional sense? You're just listing his trophies. Is he just perfect at everything because he's won alot of awards? Or does he have flaws like all players?

The backlash on here for not following the sheep is always funny.

[BILLYHIBS]

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Who said he had no positional sense? You're just listing his trophies. Is he just perfect at everything because he's won alot of awards? Or does he have flaws like all players?

The backlash on here for not following the sheep is always funny.

Apologies my post was not directed at you in particular I always look forward to your posts

Anyway now you mention it “Starting to show signs of aging at club level, his poor positional sense and rashness is very evident when his amazing physical attributes let him down”

I take your point and I also accept your further point about his poor disciplinary record

Real Madrid and Spain would and should expect greater self control from one of their senior professionals

Apart from being a very good footballer with an unfortunate dark side he is a leader on the park and most importantly he is a winner

Now Saturdays game at Hamilton who is it to be Paul Hanlon or Sergio Ramos?

[easty]

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Who said he had no positional sense? You're just listing his trophies. Is he just perfect at everything because he's won alot of awards? Or does he have flaws like all players?

The backlash on here for not following the sheep is always funny.

He’s one of the best defenders of modern era football. Everyone has flaws, but Ramos has fewer than most.

Brilliant defender.

[BILLYHIBS]

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Clearly I'm not talking about his time actually at Hibs. I'm talking about their status in the world game.

When he was at HIBS Ally Macleod insisted George Best couldnae lace his boots 😁

He was probably right

[CB_NO3]

Ramos is a cheat. A clever cheat ill give him that. Not in the same league as John Terry IMO. Ramos makes a lot of mistakes and gets away with murder as he plays for the Rangers of Spain. Also had something like 19 red cards which is poor.

[The 90+2]

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Ramos is a cheat. A clever cheat ill give him that. Not in the same league as John Terry IMO. Ramos makes a lot of mistakes and gets away with murder as he plays for the Rangers of Spain. Also had something like 19 red cards which is poor.

He doesn’t really get away with murder if he’s got 19 reds to his name, surely?

He’s not even in the same league as Terry in the ****er category either.

[Hibeesmad]

Neymar, Suarez and Aguero all named Ramos as the toughest opponent they have faced. He has captained his club and country to the trophy of the biggest competitions of world football on a lot more than merit. He is a natural leader and a fantastic footballer, one of if not the best defenders throughout his career.

[Barman Stanton]

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Neymar, Suarez and Aguero all named Ramos as the toughest opponent they have faced. He has captained his club and country to the trophy of the biggest competitions of world football on a lot more than merit. He is a natural leader and a fantastic footballer, one of if not the best defenders throughout his career.

What would these guys know? Hibs.net is where the true football experts are.

[Since90+2]

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What would these guys know? Hibs.net is where the true football experts are.

Surprised these world class forwards picked a defender with poor positional sense as their toughest opponent. Surely they'd have been able to expose that glaring deficiency in his game?

[Yorkshire HFC]

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When he was at HIBS Ally Macleod insisted George Best couldnae lace his boots 😁

He was probably right

In my eyes, Ally McLeod is nearly a Hibs great - just a pity he played in such poor teams. George Best isn't even close.

[Yorkshire HFC]

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What would these guys know? Hibs.net is where the true football experts are.

Yep - Porteous is better.

[The 90+2]

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What would these guys know? Hibs.net is where the true football experts are.

The overwhelming majority on here have acknowledged how fine a defender he is??

[MWHIBBIES]

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What would these guys know? Hibs.net is where the true football experts are.

You know he can be their toughest opponent, a world class player, a fantastic winner, without having excellent pure defending skills. Fabio Cannavaro was an incredible central defender but he was very small. He made up for that with excellent reading of the game and positioning.

One aspect can counter another

[WeeRussell]

He has amounted so many cards (yellow and red) because he's a f****g radge.

Him and Pepe are undoubtedly the dirtiest centre half pairing of my lifetime. Could never stand Pepe, and Ramos got to me a fair bit as well... but always had that bit respect for him. He's a Spanish hero.

Whatever my thoughts on Ramos' personality and conduct, he remains a top-class defender who has it all as a centre half.

Hibs?! I'd take someone half as good in a heartbeat.

[Allant1981]

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Surprised these world class forwards picked a defender with poor positional sense as their toughest opponent. Surely they'd have been able to expose that glaring deficiency in his game?

He does quite often get caught out of position and then has to foul as a result, he is a cracking defender and as many have pointed out he has won everything, doesnt mean he doesnt have flaws in his game though. Paul Scholes was one of the best midfielders I've ever seen but the tackling part of his game was terrible, doesnt mean he wasnt good at his job though

[WeeRussell]

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He does quite often get caught out of position and then has to foul as a result, he is a cracking defender and as many have pointed out he has won everything, doesnt mean he doesnt have flaws in his game though. Paul Scholes was one of the best midfielders I've ever seen but the tackling part of his game was terrible, doesnt mean he wasnt good at his job though

I get the point you're making, but tackling wasn't a central part of Scholes' remit.

[BILLYHIBS]

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In my eyes, Ally McLeod is nearly a Hibs great - just a pity he played in such poor teams. George Best isn't even close.

He was deceptive He was slower than he looked but bags of skill

I remember one game versus Dundee he scored direct from a free kick the Ref asked him to take it again so he slotted it into the opposite corner

HIBS class!

[Allant1981]

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I get the point you're making, but tackling wasn't a central part of Scholes' remit.

But tackling is still a part of the job, as I say, Ramos is a cracking defender but no point in pretending that his overall game was/is perfect

[Since90+2]

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But tackling is still a part of the job, as I say, Ramos is a cracking defender but no point in pretending that his overall game was/is perfect

Don't think anybody claimed he is the perfect defender but to say his positional sense is poor is just nonsense. Is it the best part of his game ? No. Does that mean it's automatically poor? No.

As had been stated you don't become arguably the most successful centre half to have ever played the game if you are poor at a central requirement of that position.

[Allant1981]

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Don't think anybody claimed he is the perfect defender but to say his positional sense is poor is just nonsense. Is it the best part of his game ? No. Does that mean it's automatically poor? No.

As had been stated you don't become arguably the most successful centre half to have ever played the game if you are poor at a central requirement of that position.

It's the poorest part of his game which is why he gets caught out often, happened against Norway the other night again on the halfway line, luckily for him he fouled the guy or they were left with only 1 CH to cover

[easty]

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Him and Pepe are undoubtedly the dirtiest centre half pairing of my lifetime.

Them or Walter Samuel and Marco Matterazzi at Inter

[WeeRussell]

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Them or Walter Samuel and Marco Matterazzi at Inter

I forgot about Matterazzi who I'm sure "earned" his heidbutt from ZiZu.

But any pairing with Pepe in it struggles to be beat

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Everytime I have seen him play he has deserved to be red carded. He's a cheat.

just my humble opinion.