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***brog*** · 12-10-2019 09:45 AM

Charlie Mulgrew now has more caps for Scotland than Pat Stanton, John Brownlie, John Blackley, Alex Cropley & Eddie Turnbull combined. How sad is that & what a reflection of our current team.

**~~southsider~~** · 12-10-2019 09:53 AM

Charlie who ? Jesus wept. Pat Stanton at 75 would have put in a better performance than that imposter did against Russia.

**Nicho87** · 12-10-2019 10:19 AM

How he still plays and first choice centre back is alarming. S Clarke has lost the plot not giving other players a chance and build for the future. Group was done, and Mulgrew gets 90 minutes. Bizarre.

**Stantons Angel** · 12-10-2019 10:22 AM

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Charlie who ? Jesus wept. Pat Stanton at 75 would have put in a better performance than that imposter did against Russia.

And i quite agree with you there!

I thought it was just me that was thinking how awful this guy was in that Scotland jersey.

He was a good player but in the last few games in a blue jersey i thought he was lacking in pace, direction and his abililty is really wearing thin.

I just dont recognise half of these so called Scottish players?

What we need are REAL Scottish players who can show the pride and passion that comes with wearing a Scotland jersey. There must be some about in our own league who

dont play for Rangers of Celtic that could do better than those playing just now.

I feel sorry for wee Robertson who tries his heart out but no one around him responds.

**~~Robbo6-2~~** · 12-10-2019 10:26 AM

Devlin got slaughtered but Mulgrew was just as bad. Hes absolutely honking

**CloudSquall** · 12-10-2019 10:38 AM

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the state of our supply of CBs for Scotland, gone are the years of Miller, McLeish and co..

***tamig*** · 12-10-2019 10:42 AM

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I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the state of our supply of CBs for Scotland, gone are the years of Miller, McLeish and co..

No fear. Souttar and McKenna are the future dream team. Or so we’re told.

**MWHIBBIES** · 12-10-2019 10:43 AM

Good player who has played many different positions at a high level for years. Shouldn't be playing anymore but hardly hopeless.

***BigKev*** · 12-10-2019 11:24 AM

Mulgrew has never been a natural centre half. Now he’s older he should be nowhere near the Scotland set up.

Blackburn supporters knew he was finished last season and despite loving him were happy to see him go to Wigan on loan.

Bar Porteous and Souttar across the road who are potentially the future there doesn’t appear to be any other good young centre halves out there. And while they’re both decent at our level are they going to be stand out’s on the international stage?

The boy McKenna at Aberdeen has been poor when playing for Scotland and he’s classed as a £5m plus player (no s******ing at the back please!)

***Hiber-nation*** · 12-10-2019 11:27 AM

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Good player who has played many different positions at a high level for years. Shouldn't be playing anymore but hardly hopeless.

Exactly. He is what he is, a converted midfielder/left back who is always going to struggle against big strong strikers. Been one of our few decent performers over the past few years. Until Wednesday

***brog*** · 12-10-2019 11:37 AM

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Good player who has played many different positions at a high level for years. Shouldn't be playing anymore but hardly hopeless.

He was a good player though I never really considered him international class other than possibly at LB. I posted before though i have this abiding memory of him against Germany. He ran away from a challenge in the box to stand on the line like a primary school kid, & then missed the ball anyway & allowed the goal. That was 3 years ago & he's hardly made a tackle since. That lack of physicality came back to haunt us against Russia.

***Carheenlea*** · 12-10-2019 11:41 AM

Such stats are skewed somewhat when you factor in the number of internationals played now, plus the quality of squad back then compared to now. The likes of Stanton, Brownlie, Blackley, Cropley and Turnbull would walk into the current side, and none would lose any sleep over how many caps Mulgrew has compared to them.

***Vault Boy*** · 12-10-2019 11:44 AM

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No fear. Souttar and McKenna are the future dream team. Or so we’re told.

I know this is sarcasm, but fortunately we do have Porteous who will make centre half his own. Lindsay, McKenna and Souttar to battle it out for the spot next to him IMO.

**MWHIBBIES** · 12-10-2019 12:03 PM

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I know this is sarcasm, but fortunately we do have Porteous who will make centre half his own. Lindsay, McKenna and Souttar to battle it out for the spot next to him IMO.

Porteous isn't even a nailed on starter for Hibs when everyone is fit, he has a long way to go before he is for Scotland.

***Vault Boy*** · 12-10-2019 12:23 PM

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Porteous isn't even a nailed on starter for Hibs when everyone is fit, he has a long way to go before he is for Scotland.

That's why I said he will make it this own, some time soon. FWIW I completely disagree that he's not a nailed on starter for us, he's our best defender.

***Bishop Hibee*** · 12-10-2019 12:35 PM

People are quick to criticise but who should Clark have played instead? Souter and McKenna aren’t fit and Porteous isn’t ready. If Hanlon had been in better form then I’d have said he’s worth a shout. Every bit as bad up front.

***KeithTheHibby*** · 12-10-2019 12:52 PM

Hardly Mulgrews fault he has that amount of caps.

At least he hasn't turned his back on his country unlike countless others out there.

**Roxyhibee** · 12-10-2019 01:01 PM

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Charlie Mulgrew now has more caps for Scotland than Pat Stanton, John Brownlie, John Blackley, Alex Cropley & Eddie Turnbull combined. How sad is that & what a reflection of our current team.

That is indeed sad news and remember Alex Edwards doesn’t even have a cap.!
However, it’s not Mulgrew or Clarke’s fault - he’s a midfielder trying to do his best at CB and we have a severe dearth of talent in that position. Those Tornadoes were around when Scotland was rich with talent from all the top English clubs and the OF had great Scottish players too. Although all of the above should have had a lot more caps for sure.

***brog*** · 12-10-2019 01:03 PM

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People are quick to criticise but who should Clark have played instead? Souter and McKenna aren’t fit and Porteous isn’t ready. If Hanlon had been in better form then I’d have said he’s worth a shout. Every bit as bad up front.

I agree we were very short this time round but in last couple of years players like Lindsay, Cooper & Hanley were ignored while Mulgrew was an automatic choice.

***tamig*** · 12-10-2019 02:12 PM

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I agree we were very short this time round but in last couple of years players like Lindsay, Cooper & Hanley were ignored while Mulgrew was an automatic choice.

Hanley is another who should never have been anywhere near an international squad imo. He’s being shown up for what he is in the EPL this season.

***Hibernia&Alba*** · 12-10-2019 07:32 PM

It's a sad sign of the times. We used to have good competing for places in the national team; some cracking players didn't win a lot of caps. Now poor players can win a good number.

**monktonharp** · 12-10-2019 11:10 PM

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Charlie Mulgrew now has more caps for Scotland than Pat Stanton, John Brownlie, John Blackley, Alex Cropley & Eddie Turnbull combined. How sad is that & what a reflection of our current team.

that is ……..astounding, mind boggling, shocking etc. cant find the words to fully describe my feelings on it. the Hibernian men you mention , well all I can say is he couldnae lace their bits!

**monktonharp** · 12-10-2019 11:16 PM

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That's why I said he will make it this own, some time soon. FWIW I completely disagree that he's not a nailed on starter for us, he's our best defender.

happen to think he is our best performer, over his last 2 games. Sadly he misses the semi

**monktonharp** · 12-10-2019 11:21 PM

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That is indeed sad news and remember Alex Edwards doesn’t even have a cap.!
However, it’s not Mulgrew or Clarke’s fault - he’s a midfielder trying to do his best at CB and we have a severe dearth of talent in that position. Those Tornadoes were around when Scotland was rich with talent from all the top English clubs and the OF had great Scottish players too. Although all of the above should have had a lot more caps for sure.

fair point you raise, but nevertheless it is a bit galling to see what is happening when compared to the ex-Hibs men that got few chances

**MWHIBBIES** · 13-10-2019 05:56 AM

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that is ……..astounding, mind boggling, shocking etc. cant find the words to fully describe my feelings on it. the Hibernian men you mention , well all I can say is he couldnae lace their bits!

It's really not that mind boggling. More friendlies and less competition for places, it's that simple.

***JimBHibees*** · 13-10-2019 06:56 AM

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People are quick to criticise but who should Clark have played instead? Souter and McKenna aren’t fit and Porteous isn’t ready. If Hanlon had been in better form then I’d have said he’s worth a shout. Every bit as bad up front.

Would definitely have had Liam Lindsay and Stuart Findlay before both Devlin and Mulgrew. Mlulgrew is a centre half who doesn't tackle. Has always been a poor defender and very one footed. His attempt for the first goal was laughable. All he needed to do was stand goalside.

***brog*** · 13-10-2019 08:31 AM

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Would definitely have had Liam Lindsay and Stuart Findlay before both Devlin and Mulgrew. Mlulgrew is a centre half who doesn't tackle. Has always been a poor defender and very one footed. His attempt for the first goal was laughable. All he needed to do was stand goalside.

Pretty much my thoughts. He hasn't made a tackle in years. He's usually fairly comfortable on the ball & he's ok at reading the game/ intercepting but a CB must be able to win the ball when required. I also know we're in a low quality era when caps are devalued but 43 caps is a ridiculous amount regardless of the circumstances.