Russia v Scotland

[Stuart93]

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The thing that annoyed me about tonight is that it was all so bloody pointless.

We were never winning tonight, bring a few under 21’s in to the squad and start planning for the future.

Porteous, Gilmour and possibly Hornby wouldn’t have done any worse than what was out there tonight but they would have learned from it.

Start building a proper team and stop throwing random players in there hoping for a different result.

Just go with 2 up top and have a go. **** all this one upfront pish it doesn’t work. For club and country in our case!!!

[one day maybe...]

Rip it up and start again.. said no one ever at the SFA

[Since452]

Abolish the national team

[Gordy M]

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They didn’t offer as much as his new contract at NI. Thought he would come anyway.

MON won one of his first 18 games in charge of Norn Ire. 1 in 18!?!?

[Hibeesmad]

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The thing that annoyed me about tonight is that it was all so bloody pointless.

We were never winning tonight, bring a few under 21’s in to the squad and start planning for the future.

Porteous, Gilmour and possibly Hornby wouldn’t have done any worse than what was out there tonight but they would have learned from it.

Start building a proper team and stop throwing random players in there hoping for a different result.

Under 21's were also playing tonight who are trying to qualify for the Euro 21's so I doubt they would have wanted to weaken their team to allow a few youngsters get their ***** spanked in Russia

[Gmack7]

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And conceded 17. Minus 12 goals.

We are becoming one of the whipping boys.

no we're not as apparently there's no easy games in international football

[HoboHarry]

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MON won one of his first 18 games in charge of Norn Ire. 1 in 18!?!?

That's what I was getting at earlier in the thread. As usual the sack Clarke brigade won't acknowledge the O'Neil stats.....

[H18 SFR]

Had Russia -3. 💯💯💯

[Ozyhibby]

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That's what I was getting at earlier in the thread. As usual the sack Clarke brigade won't acknowledge the O'Neil stats.....

I’m not in the sack Clarke brigade. Doubt it will make any difference. Nothing will change until the SFA is changed.


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[HoboHarry]

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I’m not in the sack Clarke brigade. Doubt it will make any difference. Nothing will change until the SFA is changed.


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I've been saying exactly that for years.

[Gordy M]

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I’m not in the sack Clarke brigade. Doubt it will make any difference. Nothing will change until the SFA is changed.


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Ive seen this written a few times. Im genuinely interested in what changes can be made to improve the national team? Do you mean youth development?

[CMurdoch]

After the San Marino game it must be goodbye and good luck to 33 and a half year old Charlie Mulgrew.
Championship Blackburn have already done this because Tony Mowbray recognised that his deficiencies now outweigh his positives. He is a midfielder playing at centre half. Good on the ball and good passer but not a winner of the ball on the ground or in the air.

He does his best but we need robust central defenders for nights like tonight.

Centre Halves available are in ascending order:
Down South
Cooper
Hanley

Up Here
McKenna
Soutter
Porteous

We might even be better playing 3 centre halves AFTER the San Marino game

Porteous is the only one i would confidently critique because i don't see enough of the rest to give an informed opinion
He is undoubtably a tough tackler
In the air - not bad but the likes of the goal he conceded against Cosgrove at the weekend was poor and the big wardrobe who played up front for Russia tonight is far better and stronger than Sam C so could be exposed.
On the ball - reliable but basic.
I think he will be in the full Scotland squad by the start of next season if he can keep clear of injuries and get another 30 games in.

Personally i would play McKenna, Porteous and Soutter with Robertson & Tierney covering back and moving forward either side of the back 3.
Couldn't be weaker than what we presently have.

[bingo70]

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Under 21's were also playing tonight who are trying to qualify for the Euro 21's so I doubt they would have wanted to weaken their team to allow a few youngsters get their ***** spanked in Russia

The under 21‘s qualifying for anything means nothing in the bigger picture I’m afraid, well imo anyway.

The best under 21’s throughout the world are playing for their senior side so any under 21’s doing well is basically the best of the second best under 21’s.

The under 21’s could get pumped 10 nil but if the best young players have a pathway to the first team then it’s a job done.

The fact we see the under 21’s as a competitive tournament rather than a way of progressing players to the first team is part of the problem.

[The 90+2]

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MON won one of his first 18 games in charge of Norn Ire. 1 in 18!?!?

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?

[HoboHarry]

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I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?

That he was given time to turn things around, unlike those who would be all for dismissing Steve Clarke already.....

[CMurdoch]

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The thing that annoyed me about tonight is that it was all so bloody pointless.

We were never winning tonight, bring a few under 21’s in to the squad and start planning for the future.

Porteous, Gilmour and possibly Hornby wouldn’t have done any worse than what was out there tonight but they would have learned from it.

Start building a proper team and stop throwing random players in there hoping for a different result.

Porteous has the best chance because their is so little quality in his position
Gilmour - good player but no need to dump him in that Scotland team given there are decent players in his position
Hornby - plays like an under 21 player and has struggled to make an impact in the U21 games i have watched including this evening.

I certainly agree it was pointless playing Mulgrew tonight

[Brightside]

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Porteous has the best chance because their is so little quality in his position
Gilmour - good player but no need to dump him in that Scotland team given there are decent players in his position
Hornby - plays like an under 21 player and has struggled to make an impact in the U21 games i have watched including this evening.

I certainly agree it was pointless playing Mulgrew tonight

What about Hanlon.

[Hiber-nation]

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What about Hanlon.

2 years ago almost everyone on here (including me) was screaming for him to be included. Even you must admit his form's gone downhill and he has to somehow get back to that form before he can be considered.

[Diclonius]

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That he was given time to turn things around, unlike those who would be all for dismissing Steve Clarke already.....

I've been saying for years that the manager isn't the problem with Scotland. The players we have and the failure of the SFA to get a good youth system up and running is.

They'll be delighted the fans always lambast the manager, and they'll be really ****ing relieved that FIFA suspends you if your government, say, wants to rip you up and start again.

[Brightside]

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2 years ago almost everyone on here (including me) was screaming for him to be included. Even you must admit his form's gone downhill and he has to somehow get back to that form before he can be considered.

Best CH in the league for the last 3 games. Bang in form. 😂

[Dav1986]

Surely this should be part of the non-Hibs games thread? Otherwise, what is the point in that thread?

Would also mean that I'm not reminded of last nights result if it was when I come on here

[Walter]

Clarke needs to be given years to sort this out.

[Diclonius]

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Clarke needs to be given years to sort this out.

Yup. Give him all the time he wants, he's the man for the job.

[worcesterhibby]

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I've been saying for years that the manager isn't the problem with Scotland. The players we have and the failure of the SFA to get a good youth system up and running is.

They'll be delighted the fans always lambast the manager, and they'll be really ****ing relieved that FIFA suspends you if your government, say, wants to rip you up and start again.

That's true and I am certainly not in favour of laying the blame at Clarke's door or calling for his head...but we have definitely gone backwards since Strachan. By the end of his tenure we were competitive and well drilled with a bit of passion as well. We seem to have lost all of this and gone backwards.

[JimBHibees]

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What about Hanlon.

Should be concentrating on keeping his place in the Hibs team.

[JimBHibees]

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That's true and I am certainly not in favour of laying the blame at Clarke's door or calling for his head...but we have definitely gone backwards since Strachan. By the end of his tenure we were competitive and well drilled with a bit of passion as well. We seem to have lost all of this and gone backwards.

Agree totally we were pretty good near the end of Strachans campaign. Only should have got rid if better was signed and sealed. The Michael O'Neill approach was shambolic and to then bring McLeish in dear oh dear.

[JimBHibees]

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Yup. Give him all the time he wants, he's the man for the job.

Definitely needs time however all performances since he has taken over have been very poor. Maybe more suited to club management which allows you to drill a team defensively day after day. He obviously done an amazing job at Killie however his teams were functional and quite defensive rather than good to watch. First thing I would do would be to take captaincy from Robertson as think he is carrying the weight of that a bit and affecting his performances.

[Phil MaGlass]

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I've been saying for years that the manager isn't the problem with Scotland. The players we have and the failure of the SFA to get a good youth system up and running is.

They'll be delighted the fans always lambast the manager, and they'll be really ****ing relieved that FIFA suspends you if your government, say, wants to rip you up and start again.

This, Govt should step in anyway. As there´s no way in the near future this sad state of affairs is going to change who gives a **** about being suspended, bring it on.

[GreenOnions]

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Personally i would play McKenna, Porteous and Soutter with Robertson & Tierney covering back and moving forward either side of the back 3.
Couldn't be weaker than what we presently have.

I see where you're coming from with this. However - when a team's playing poorly there's always that trade-off between bolstering areas in which you're weak and making the most of your strengths.

I would worry that playing the formation you suggest would imply playing fewer of our better players further up the pitch in midfield and wide areas.

You would obviously want both Tierney and Robertson in the side but three central defenders would mean one fewer in midfield and probably no other wide players.

Midfield is probably our strongest area. Our best options include McGinn, McGregor, McTominay, Christie and Armstrong whilst we have Forrest and Fraser in wide areas.

You'd want to include as many of those as you can wouldn't you?