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    List of HSL members

    Got email today showing all members as of 2nd Oct, confirming list for names on strip.

    I thought a raft of players and managers had signed up, however only Lewis Stevenson is listed. Was surprised at that. What's the deal there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn View Post
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    Got email today showing all members as of 2nd Oct, confirming list for names on strip.

    I thought a raft of players and managers had signed up, however only Lewis Stevenson is listed. Was surprised at that. What's the deal there?
    I'm surprised that they are allowed to do that to be honest and not sure it's not against GDPR. I'm on the list and not bothered but still surprised all the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Since90+2 View Post
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    I'm surprised that they are allowed to do that to be honest and not sure it's not against GDPR. I'm on the list and not bothered but still surprised all the same.
    I thought the same about GDPR. I’m quite happy to have my name on the list but some folk might not be.

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    I'm surprised that they are allowed to do that to be honest and not sure it's not against GDPR. I'm on the list and not bothered but still surprised all the same.
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    Im sure that sharing those membership names is against the new rulings

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    I thought the deadline for these donations were being extended?

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    I thought the deadline for these donations were being extended?
    It’s still 20th October

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stantons Angel View Post
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    Im sure that sharing those membership names is against the new rulings
    I'd like to check whether this is the case. According to the list and putting two and two together, a certain ex-member of Genesis is a Hibee. But probably not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Since90+2 View Post
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    I'm surprised that they are allowed to do that to be honest and not sure it's not against GDPR. I'm on the list and not bothered but still surprised all the same.
    If the names are going to be on the strip it can't be against data protection, they will be out there next season. Assume anyone not wanting identified will have informed HSL

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian cruise View Post
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    If the names are going to be on the strip it can't be against data protection, they will be out there next season. Assume anyone not wanting identified will have informed HSL
    I'm not even sure that printing the names on the strip ,without the express permission of all members to allow this , would be allowed under GDPR.

    Permission now needs to be sought and essentially you need to opt in to allow use of personal details to be used, of which full name is one , when previously you had to opt out if you didn't want to be included in such things. Therefore it's not sufficient to say folk could simply ask not to be involved , it's now the law (or my understanding of it) that people must expressively opt in rather than permission being assumed.

    I know Hearts done this a few years ago but that would have been before the new rules came into play last year.

    I'm not having a go at HSL, it doesn't bother me, but I do hope they have got all their ducks in a row as such. GDPR is an absolute minefield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Since90+2 View Post
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    I'm not even sure that printing the names on the strip ,without the express permission of all members to allow this , would be allowed under GDPR.

    Permission now needs to be sought and essentially you need to opt in to allow use of personal details to be used, of which full name is one , when previously you had to opt out if you didn't want to be included in such things. Therefore it's not sufficient to say folk could simply ask not to be involved , it's now the law (or my understanding of it) that people must expressively opt in rather than permission being assumed.

    I know Hearts done this a few years ago but that would have been before the new rules came into play last year.

    I'm not having a go at HSL, it doesn't bother me, but I do hope they have got all their ducks in a row as such. GDPR is an absolute minefield.
    It must be really hard for them because we want every penny raised to go to the club, it’s not like they can hire one of the big 4 to provide co-source. Do members who have professional skills currently help out with the administration at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Since90+2 View Post
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    I'm not even sure that printing the names on the strip ,without the express permission of all members to allow this , would be allowed under GDPR.

    Permission now needs to be sought and essentially you need to opt in to allow use of personal details to be used, of which full name is one , when previously you had to opt out if you didn't want to be included in such things. Therefore it's not sufficient to say folk could simply ask not to be involved , it's now the law (or my understanding of it) that people must expressively opt in rather than permission being assumed.

    I know Hearts done this a few years ago but that would have been before the new rules came into play last year.

    I'm not having a go at HSL, it doesn't bother me, but I do hope they have got all their ducks in a row as such. GDPR is an absolute minefield.
    Can we please put everyone’s mind at rest. Like any other Company our list of Members is a matter of public information.
    We did however also take the precaution of taking legal advice from Solicitors with particular expertise in GDPR.

    Thank you to everyone who is responding with feedback. The vast majority of amendments we are making relates to inaccurate input by Members at the outset. For this reason it will take us a number of days to update the list and respond to emails. Please be patient. We will ensure by 20th October that the list is accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficialHSL View Post
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    Can we please put everyone’s mind at rest. Like any other Company our list of Members is a matter of public information.
    We did however also take the precaution of taking legal advice from Solicitors with particular expertise in GDPR.

    Thank you to everyone who is responding with feedback. The vast majority of amendments we are making relates to inaccurate input by Members at the outset. For this reason it will take us a number of days to update the list and respond to emails. Please be patient. We will ensure by 20th October that the list is accurate.

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    You’re a private company limited by guarantee with no share capital.

    I don’t see why the member scheme that you operate would be in any way a matter of public record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficialHSL View Post
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    Can we please put everyone’s mind at rest. Like any other Company our list of Members is a matter of public information.
    We did however also take the precaution of taking legal advice from Solicitors with particular expertise in GDPR.

    Thank you to everyone who is responding with feedback. The vast majority of amendments we are making relates to inaccurate input by Members at the outset. For this reason it will take us a number of days to update the list and respond to emails. Please be patient. We will ensure by 20th October that the list is accurate.

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    Thought I had reached full subscription but don’t see my name. Is this list now final or is there still time to make up any deficit and ensure my name is on there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficialHSL View Post
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    Can we please put everyone’s mind at rest. Like any other Company our list of Members is a matter of public information.
    We did however also take the precaution of taking legal advice from Solicitors with particular expertise in GDPR.

    Thank you to everyone who is responding with feedback. The vast majority of amendments we are making relates to inaccurate input by Members at the outset. For this reason it will take us a number of days to update the list and respond to emails. Please be patient. We will ensure by 20th October that the list is accurate.

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    Official HSL

    I am a full member and somewhat disappointed not to be on the list. Email sent as requested. Await your revised list with interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn View Post
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    Got email today showing all members as of 2nd Oct, confirming list for names on strip.

    I thought a raft of players and managers had signed up, however only Lewis Stevenson is listed. Was surprised at that. What's the deal there?
    Their database is not the best. I wasn't on it as I made a lump sum donation but now im on it twice. I suspect majority of players will have made a one off donation or even just lent their name to it. Good to see King Pat there though.

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    I work in information security and was a bit surprised. However having found myself on the list (twice) or not. Practically everyone is unidentifyable because names on their own are far from unique. Given there a few Hibs legends in there and many have gone public, its not as bad as it it looks. Its not like they put it on facebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O'Rourke3 View Post
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    I work in information security and was a bit surprised. However having found myself on the list (twice) or not. Practically everyone is unidentifyable because names on their own are far from unique. Given there a few Hibs legends in there and many have gone public, its not as bad as it it looks. Its not like they put it on facebook.

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    Nothing to stop it ending up there though.

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    Nothing to stop it ending up there though.
    True but if it does its an HSL member. The impact could be a fine by the ICO on People trying to help the club. Way to get moee volunterrs. Not defending the action. But to punish seems self defeating.

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    I got email and forgot to check it but this thread reminded me.

    Glad to see my name is correct.
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    Oooft.
    This isn't good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibee316 View Post
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    Oooft.
    This isn't good...
    Not bothered but it’s not compliant.

    Not sure they just didn’t send bcc type email whew all recipients details are hidden.

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    My name is on it and I couldn't really give a flying **** who sees it or who knows I contribute to HSL, its contributions to a football club not the ****ing secret service 😆

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSK View Post
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    My name is on it and I couldn't really give a flying **** who sees it or who knows I contribute to HSL, its contributions to a football club not the ****ing secret service 😆
    Totally agree. Geezo it’s like the KGB on here.

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    Surprised as some of the critical tone from some on this one - think it is a really helpful thing these guys are doing ....

    Sending out a list to give everyone a chance to make sure they are on it ..refining it at least twice before the strip gets made ..

    Done with the intent purely of making sure those who should be on it , are

    Well done HSL - difficult thing to get right - so appreciate the effort

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwheel View Post
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    Surprised as some of the critical tone from some on this one - think it is a really helpful thing these guys are doing ....

    Sending out a list to give everyone a chance to make sure they are on it ..refining it at least twice before the strip gets made ..

    Done with the intent purely of making sure those who should be on it , are

    Well done HSL - difficult thing to get right - so appreciate the effort

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwheel View Post
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    Surprised as some of the critical tone from some on this one - think it is a really helpful thing these guys are doing ....

    Sending out a list to give everyone a chance to make sure they are on it ..refining it at least twice before the strip gets made ..

    Done with the intent purely of making sure those who should be on it , are

    Well done HSL - difficult thing to get right - so appreciate the effort
    Totally agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwheel View Post
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    Surprised as some of the critical tone from some on this one - think it is a really helpful thing these guys are doing ....

    Sending out a list to give everyone a chance to make sure they are on it ..refining it at least twice before the strip gets made ..

    Done with the intent purely of making sure those who should be on it , are

    Well done HSL - difficult thing to get right - so appreciate the effort
    Can you point to a single post where someone has been critical of HSL?

    Merely pointing out that sending out such a list potentially might clash with new rules around GDPR. Hopefully they've taken appropriate advice before sending the email and they've nothing to worry about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Since90+2 View Post
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    Can you point to a single post where someone has been critical of HSL?

    Merely pointing out that sending out such a list potentially might clash with new rules around GDPR. Hopefully they've taken appropriate advice before sending the email and they've nothing to worry about
    I questioned why all the players and manager who signed up are not on list? Did they not pay? Was it false advertising by saying so and so has signed up, now join and do your bit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn View Post
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    I questioned why all the players and manager who signed up are not on list? Did they not pay? Was it false advertising by saying so and so has signed up, now join and do your bit?
    You seem to have a problem with HSL. For instance you are the first person to post on receiving the list.

    Whilst others have commented on the communication from HSL and clearly stated what they see as problems with it (answers have also been given to show how the communication is in fact correct)

    You pose the question "Was it false advertising by saying so and so has signed up,now join and do your bit?"

    You go that bit further and would seem to be questioning the integrity of the directors of HSL with your quote.

    A shocker of a quote, one you should be ashamed of.

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