Scotty has had a chequered career but we've seen the best of him at Hibs.
On occasion we've seen teams built to accommodate mercurially talented players - McLeish built a team to get the best out of Latapy and both Stubbs and Lennon got great stuff out of Scotty before.
Our current players, tactics and manager don't get the best out of Allan. I get the feeling a 352 would suit him best, but Hecky's never going to play that. He did very well in the championship as part of a diamond but do we have the players to play that now?
Whoever has the manager's job, the priority must be to get a solid defensive base that allows Allan to float about and create, ideally with a couple of strikers in front of him.
Part of my frustration is with the fact that we have undeniable quality in our squad. We're not totally pish but results and performances are starting to form a pattern - we play ok, don't score, lose the first goal then start to struggle.
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Thread: Scott Allan
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14-09-2019 07:17 PM #1
Scott Allan
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14-09-2019 08:06 PM #2
One of my many gripes with Heckinbottom is that he tries to fit players into his preferred 'system' - and it's failing horribly.
What he should be doing IMO is finding a system that gets the best out of the players he has available to him.
His lack of adaptability or willingness to admit he's ever made a mistake is woeful. And for me those reasons are enough to suggest his time is up.
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14-09-2019 08:07 PM #3
Gets an easy ride he’s been pish for weeks and when looking to grind out results where we are unbelievably at just now id personally no play him and go 442. Part of our problem is we try to accommodate him in a team that’s toiling. Won’t be popular a know but it’s not working Mallan the same but less popular obviously
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14-09-2019 08:10 PM #4This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Obviously my preference would be to build a team to get the best out of Allan, but we've not looked like doing that at any point this season.
Are we going to need to try something without him?
The problem with 442 is that I don't look at any of our other midfielders and think they have what it takes to play in a central 2.
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14-09-2019 08:18 PM #5This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
These guys haven’t turned into bad players over night, they’re being played in a dysfunctional system that doesn’t work and doesn’t bring the best out in anybody. This idea that somehow Allan is the problem as he won’t fit into a conventional system is getting on my thrupnies, Scott Allan is a great player and there’s plenty ways we could be getting more out of him.
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14-09-2019 08:21 PM #6This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I support HFC not Scott Allan or any other player.
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14-09-2019 08:24 PM #7
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He’s a good player. All the midfielders we have signed are average at best.
Dropping Allan isn’t going to make them hard to beat. They don’t have it in them. Allan is t the problem here, as pish as he was today.
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14-09-2019 08:27 PM #8This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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14-09-2019 08:34 PM #9
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Who do you bring in for Allan that makes us harder to beat or keeps us in the game? His failings were the other way.
Allan was nothing to do with the crap goals we lost.
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14-09-2019 08:39 PM #10
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I totally agree with you. You set your system to get the best out of your players. You do not not shoehorn players into your system. What amazes me is that he has signed players that clearly don't fit into his system. It has been said on here numerous times that we need a DM but the fact we didn't sign one is, most probably, because he didn't request one. We don't know if the players signed are any good but we do know Scott Allan is and he hasn't turned into a bad player overnight. The only recruitment we have definitely seemed to have gotten wrong is Heckingbottom and we need to make sure that this "small" mistake does not become a large one.
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14-09-2019 08:40 PM #11
I don’t blame him for the goals we lost mate I am saying for a player of his ability he’s creating nothing and not doing a lot. Hanlon has been pool and for me he’s lucky he’s getting a game. Porto and another (efi) would be a better solution failing that Jackson but if the manager that signed him doesn’t think he’s any better then we are toiling.
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14-09-2019 08:59 PM #12This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Scott Allan needs to play in a side that has the ball, he’s a ball playing midfielder. He needs to have options ahead of him to create for and he needs to be playing with confidence.
If we signed Messi and played him at centre half he probably wouldn’t be very good, doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good player it just means he’s not being played right. I know that’s an extreme example I’ve used to illustrate a point and I know it’s not the same as he’s a midfielder who is still being played in midfield but the same principles apply, good players aren’t just good players all the time no matter what, they’re not robots, they need to be played correctly.
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14-09-2019 09:02 PM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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14-09-2019 09:12 PM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He gets away with murder case we know how good he is and what he’s done in previous spells. I seen both Vela and Hallberg graft their balls or today but people will still criticise them cause they arnt Scott Allan
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14-09-2019 09:20 PM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The players aren’t to blame for this position we find ourselves in, they are being asked to play a system that doesn’t work and it’s not bringing the best out in anyone. Even looking at the centre half’s, you can point to individual mistakes but they’re playing in a system where they get zero protection so mistakes eventually are inevitable.
FWIW I also had a similar argument about our strikers over the last year or so. People having a pop at McLaren, Kamberi, Shaw, McNulty and now Doidge aren’t looking at the bigger picture, these guys can all score goals if you play a system that creates chances for them, play in a system where they’re expected to create and score their own chances as well as hold the ball up and bring others into play won’t work. Again it’s the same principles with our midfield just now.
Our midfield is pish just now, it’s absolutely dreadful but it’s not the midfielders we have on our books that are the problem, it’s the type of midfielder we don’t have that’s causing our problems.
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14-09-2019 09:24 PM #16
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Totally agree r.e. players needing to play in a system that suits. Due to the midfielders hibs have at the moment it is not unreasonable to suggest that the most competitive 11 we can put out doesn't include allan. Which is ridiculous given the position we were in this summer.
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14-09-2019 09:24 PM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Am not sticking up for the manager btw he carry’s the can
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14-09-2019 09:32 PM #18
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The goals today were nothing to do with how they were being asked to play. It was just pish.Last edited by B.H.F.C; 14-09-2019 at 09:35 PM.
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14-09-2019 09:37 PM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We never scored any either. We’re not playing a system that has us solid at the back or has us scoring going forward.
Do you think the players are not trying or choosing to play badly?
The players not playing well is a consequence of bad management.
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14-09-2019 09:41 PM #20
In the last 3 games we’ve played 3 different formations so it’s not a “system” that isn’t working.
When you have every part of the team and so many individuals under performing, you have to hold the manager responsible and make a change
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Feel we are at a cross roads where not just Mcgregor and Gray will be phased out, may need to be ruthless and less sentimental if we can get better to partner Porto
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14-09-2019 09:51 PM #23
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14-09-2019 09:57 PM #25
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But of the goals we lost today, what could he have done differently?
You talk about the players, but do you think Hecky is choosing to manage badly? Some of the players are cowards.
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14-09-2019 09:59 PM #26
He works with them every week.
Some of the best football I’ve seen hibs play was under Stubbs. Our guys currently can’t even do basic ball retention.
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14-09-2019 10:17 PM #27
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15-09-2019 09:35 AM #28
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Was poor against St Johnstone and got himself subbed, anonymous against Motherwell and by all accounts poor yesterday. Don't care how good he's been in the past he's another one who needs a rocket
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