I am hoping that LD will stay on. There's been a lot of instability at the club with the Lennon affair, player turnover at the end of last season and now a new owner. Interesting post but I think there will little activity behind the scenes for a while until RG decides what, if anything needs changing. And by that I mean if he believes the people we have in place can take us to the next level.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm sure there will be changes but maybe not as drastic as the points above point towards. Is it not just a case of peoples eyes being taken off the ball due to the change of ownership? it shouldn't but I've worked for firms who've been taken over and it does happen until things become clearer.
RG asking for the peoples plans is the first step. Doesn't help or reassure us all as fans given the perceptions of the team & management's quality, but I understand this approach.
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Thread: LD under pressure
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18-08-2019 01:42 PM #91
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18-08-2019 02:44 PM #92
I hope Leanne is here for years. No pressure from me, or any of my Hibby friends.
GG
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18-08-2019 04:08 PM #93
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When businesses change hands there will be a new fresh pressure put on all members of the board and management teams throughout the business. All pretty normal stuff. In this case Ron is the new owner and is spending some amount of time getting in about the weeds first hand while Archie Paton joined the board as a non-exec who I have no doubt will be Rons eyes and ears when he isn’t physically there. Everyone will feel renewed energy (I would hope) and that slight feeling of nerves about future unknown plans and their own roles in making those successful. The pressure will be there and it’s no bad thing.
Football is a funny business, basically not for profit organisations where everything we make gets ploughed back into future growth and hopefully success.
After that, we have this funny situation where we as fans see success through the actual Football quality and results. We also like good service, good match day experience and we might want to know how what’s being spent on East mains for example is helping develop future success for the Football side of the business.
LD has done a lot of good things but in my opinion the good will she has from the majority of fans is only there because of the relative success on the park over the last few years. Imagine the first 2 managers appointed hadn’t achieved what they did (i’m not opening a debate on the qualities of Stubbs and Lennon) and god forbid we were still trying to fight our way out the Championship or we had made it out but had spent 2 Seasons fighting for survival. I doubt the good will would be there. That wouldn’t mean the rest of the stuff done at the club was any less worthy of praise. It doesn’t mean LD wouldn’t have allocated every penny we could to try and achieve, it just means the Football manager hadn’t spent that money on the right players or coached them properly. It’s a fickle business Football and the one task LD and board needs to get right is appointing the right person to manage the team. Get that wrong and it really wouldn’t matter to 20k fans if we have the best training ground, best pies etc etc.
We also know there are so many variables for a manager to get it right. Luck plays a big part as well. Better to be lucky than good sometimes, while LD has made some great decisions in appointing managers she too has had a bit of luck with it. If PH doesn’t work out LD will find herself in the firing line. I don’t agree she should be but she will be and only for the one decision of hiring him. The headline that we have no more money to be spent on players shows us that. Does anyone believe the board aren’t spending everything they can to try and make us a success? LD isn’t picking players to buy. She isn’t picking the formation or suggesting the high press. It won’t stop people having a go LD and the board because it’s not working out. It’s truly ludicrous but a fact of Football.
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18-08-2019 04:46 PM #94
Every CEO is under pressure 24hrs a day 7 days a week thats why they get paid the big bucks, stupid thread title.
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18-08-2019 04:53 PM #95This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I’ve heard of one former employee describe the approach within IT/development.
Not the forum to go into details but if true I’d fear if this is being held up as the model for future work (which if you look at the business and customer outcomes it’s difficult to argue against) at what cost the workers?"We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
"Romanov was like a breath of fresh air - laced with cyanide." Me.
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18-08-2019 05:06 PM #96
LD seems the person who thrives on a challenge - and what a challenge she took on - but even being given the option once we were relegated she accepted. She’s no stranger to Uncertainty.
It’s quite easy to forget she’s continuing to cut a pathway for women in Scottish football and a successful one at that. She’s looking forward to this next exciting period and the potential it brings.
Long may she continue. She doesn’t seem likely to be rattled by comments on a message board or in the press but will stand her ground and stand up for the club.
Are folks forgetting her stance with Rangers over the Allan affair, the press/Tom English over recent (individuals) misbehaviour and of course the SC exuberance."We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
"Romanov was like a breath of fresh air - laced with cyanide." Me.
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18-08-2019 05:51 PM #97This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Is our football club an American company?
does it operate under American employment law?
Do we know if RG operates in the manner you’ve described?
have you worked for RG directly?
Unless any of those is a ‘yes’, then you’re speculating.
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18-08-2019 05:52 PM #98This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Seems a massive generalisation to me but I don’t know, there must be hundreds of thousands of companies in America that don’t treat their staff like that.
That doesn’t mean he’s wrong though, I think he’s just raising the possibility that LD could be under more pressure than some of us may realise.
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18-08-2019 06:17 PM #100This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
possibly just how I’m reading into his posts, i felt it comes across as a bit more than speculation and more of a ‘this is what’s coming’ kind of thing. That is only my opinion though, could easily be wrong 😊
you're right though, he may not be wrong at all. There’s been a few American owners of football clubs in the uk over the last 15 years or so, with mixed results. Hopefully we’re looking back in a few years as one of the successful examples.
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18-08-2019 07:08 PM #101
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18-08-2019 07:30 PM #103
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Leeann Dempster stays in my book. Has done a fantastic job turning our club around from a very deep depression.
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18-08-2019 07:37 PM #104
What would a 5 year football plan look like ?
Take for example when LD came in - the blue print was there she just executed right?
(Events mean) Assess management team
(Events mean) put in place right team for promotion
Recruit/develop/enhance recruitment dept
Enhance sports science dept
Enhance analytic capability
Get club promoted
Build STs
Increase merchandise sales
Increase Sell on fees
Relaunch Hibernian Community links
But replanning required :
Bolster squad for promotion
- handle losses
Then - maximise benefits of cup win
Planning is the key - plans are relatively meaningless and don’t survive first contact with the enemy :)"We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
"Romanov was like a breath of fresh air - laced with cyanide." Me.
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18-08-2019 07:46 PM #105
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A Bit Realism
Under Stubbs who I liked we had many poor games with no plan B. Also seem to recall being stuffed by Morton 3-0 at home? one Tues night. Under Lennon we were rubbish from Nov (apart from good Celtic result in Dec) until Heck took over. We have only lost one game all season. The team just need to gel. Kamberi back on form, Middleton looking good, Scott Allan brilliant creative player, Marciano top form, Jackson looks good and can pass, Porteous on the way back, Murray deserves a run....
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18-08-2019 10:15 PM #106This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Dempster was a breath of fresh air and revitalised the club, but time for her to get her mojo back and get the bond between fans and club back to how strong it was a season or two ago.
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18-08-2019 10:23 PM #107
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18-08-2019 10:28 PM #108
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19-08-2019 05:58 AM #111
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I don't think shes under pressure. Apart from being horsed with 10 men by Rangers we've won almost every time we've stepped on the park. I think we'll win on Saturday too.
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That 5 year plan laid the ground work for hiring and devloping the blue print for LD to execute no? Her recruitment was secured before relegation."We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
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19-08-2019 06:53 AM #115
There´s some amount of fish being spouted on here recently.
Loads of folk with low post counts coming on and goading others and name calling, to mention a couple. I´m getting blisters from hitting the ignore button so often, then again, there´s probably nobody seeing this post
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19-08-2019 08:54 AM #119
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Sort of challenges your Petrie out of depth point too ....he has already decided to change the football strategy and organisation before Butcher got us in to relegation trouble ..
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19-08-2019 09:11 AM #120This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In the period around the 5 year plan we were on an ever increasing downward curve. The circumstances of relegation were a surprise given the spectacular free fall, but the fact we got relegated in that period had an air of inevitability IMO. Post the Hearts final, Petrie had to come out and admit there was a toxic culture at the club that needed to change. Do you not remember how disengaged we as a support were from the club during those years? I also remember reading Marsella referencing the fact we used Wikipedia as part of our recruitment “strategy”.
Credit for, belatedly, holding his hands up and admitting he needed someone else to sort his mess. I struggle to see how he wasn’t out of his depth given what Dempster inherited.
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