Recruitment

[Currie Hibee]

I’ve seen comments on threads today about signings over the summer. My opinion is;

Doidge/ Newell - not good enough
Vela/ Jackson - think they will do well
James/ Maxwell - too early to tell
Scott Allan - touch of class

Heckingbottom has taken a lot of stick but who takes the blame if this turns out to be a bad window. Our supposedly excellent recruitment team seem to get away with murder and all the blame gets put on Heckingbottom. Surely they have to be at least partly accountable.

[where'stheslope]

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I’ve seen comments on threads today about signings over the summer. My opinion is;

Doidge/ Newell - not good enough
Vela/ Jackson - think they will do well
James/ Maxwell - too early to tell
Scott Allan - touch of class

Heckingbottom has taken a lot of stick but who takes the blame if this turns out to be a bad window. Our supposedly excellent recruitment team seem to get away with murder and all the blame gets put on Heckingbottom. Surely they have to be at least partly accountable.

I take what you say, but it is far to early to make up your mind on new players!
Today we played a team who have spent money to get what they have, and playing them this early in the season has definitely gone against us.
We still need time to bed in players, as all teams do, they have had the benefit of European ties to hone their skills, while we played lower league teams!!!

[eastcoasthibby]

We had a midfield last season that had very little mobility, couldn't pass a ball, didn't get in the box, got bullied off balls, let players run off us and we're weak in the tackle, so coming into this season who did we bring in to resolve that problem ? Allan gets in the box, Vela will compete fine, but you can't carry two midfielders in every game the way we are ..the forwards recruitment has been poor Shaw showed very little last season as did Kamberi ..Doidge comes in for money and has shown little and Hecky comes out with an emphatic we aren't bringing anyone else in so going with these 3 definitely til Xmas is a poor decision, to not think we don't need another midfielder who is mobile and will compete is also another questionable one !!! And that's not even to mention the wide areas until Boyle got injured he was happy with that as well ...neither wonder questions were getting asked even before today !! The statement made about playing high pressing game, with pace ...is the complete opposite from what we have seen, I am not one for not giving people the chance but Hecky hasn't helped himself so far ...and I haven't even gone near the tactics and team selections ...the question about recruitment is a big one, last summer's recruitment was poor and this year's isn't looking very great so as long as it being Hecky under question surely the recruitment also are under scrutiny as a pattern seems to be appearing !!!

[Smartie]

We've had a few dodgy summer windows in a row with some excellent business in January papering over a few cracks.

It looks very much to me like every summer we take a chance on available players whose pedigree we perceive to be better than is suggested, then we try to shoe horn them into a team without much thought as to how they are going to play together. By the time we see it's not working we tweak in January and end up not far off where we should be at the end of the season.

The new players don't look like good value and don't look likely to make a positive impression but there have been a few more who have been around for a while who haven't contributed anything like what we've needed. Our midfield has been poor for a while but "signed from Juventus with hunners of caps" Slivka can't really get into it. Stevie "player of the year" Mallan has been a consistent feature in the part of the team that has let us down most and we seem hell-bent on accommodating him, in spite of the fact that he has as many anonymous and frankly awful performance as he has good ones. How many "blink and you'll miss them" stop gaps have we had who have already been sent on their merry way without troubling the first team?

For all the talk of our "recruitment team" the players we recruit seem to reflect our manager at the time. Stubbs signed good players and built a good team. Lennon used his contacts and we got some really good players we wouldn't have expected to play for us along with a fair bit of dross, with little forward planning. PH seems to be going down the lower league rejects route - players who Bolton were interested in, players who were waiting for offers from Championship clubs that never came, players for relegated teams that the fans didn't rate.

[McKenzie]

Definitely has to be some accountability from the recruitment team. The success rate must be pretty poor based on previous seasons when our better players have been with us for 5/6+ years now.

[Michael]

When Lennon was in charge we signed a lot of players he'd worked with before. With Heckingbottom all of the signings have been league 1/league 2 players (which he's known about for a while).

You could say the best signings in that last year or so came when we had no manager. So are he recruitment team being utilised properly?

[J-C]

I've said in other threads, the recruitment team gives the manager a list of players for positions and the manager has final say. Stubbs could spot a player, Lennon used agents and contacts and Heckingbottom knows his lower leagues. I think we needed 2-3 decent Scottish players that knew this league and what's expected.

[SingaporeHibs]

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When Lennon was in charge we signed a lot of players he'd worked with before. With Heckingbottom all of the signings have been league 1/league 2 players (which he's known about for a while).

You could say the best signings in that last year or so came when we had no manager. So are he recruitment team being utilised properly?

I agree with you, that’s how I see it as well. We could do with some transparency from Hibs about how our recruitment team works.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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I've said in other threads, the recruitment team gives the manager a list of players for positions and the manager has final say. Stubbs could spot a player, Lennon used agents and contacts and Heckingbottom knows his lower leagues. I think we needed 2-3 decent Scottish players that knew this league and what's expected.

Very much so. Players from the English lower leagues are not going to be enough.

On the early evidence, the new signings are a worry, but it's too early to make any final judgement. Players need to settle in and learn their role within the team. They will need to learn quickly; such performances won't be tolerated. We definitely need to strengthen.

[GoalsMcGinley]

Newell, Doidge, James, Jackson are all Heckingbottom signings. NOT the recruitment team. He wanted them. They simply allowed him to go and get them. His signings, his team.


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[Heisenberg]

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Newell, Doidge, James, Jackson are all Heckingbottom signings. NOT the recruitment team. He wanted them. They simply allowed him to go and get them. His signings, his team.


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Doidge and Newell were apparently on our recruitment teams list for a few years.

James and Jackson I’ll give you. Baffled that he dropped Jackson today.

[Currie Hibee]

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Doidge and Newell were apparently on our recruitment teams list for a few years.

James and Jackson I’ll give you. Baffled that he dropped Jackson today.

This is what worries me. Doidge was bought for a reputed fee of c£350k so you would think he is one of the better earners and early signs remind me of Alan O’Brian / James Collins. Surely our recruitment team should be better at scouting talent. Other teams with a great smaller budget seem to manage it, an example being Ross County last/ this season.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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I agree with you, that’s how I see it as well. We could do with some transparency from Hibs about how our recruitment team works.

Like the DailyRecord day in a life video? I’m not too sure what folks expect a usb stick delivered to their door? That was about as transparent as it gets and for locally based there’s been trips organised for .net folks. What more can the club do precisely?

[DetroitHibs]

The problem is all the mystery that shrouds the clubs. We are told next to nothing about finances, signings, transfer rumors, etc etc. We don’t know if Heckingbottom chose these players or the recruitment team scouted them and gave him the list. Either way are recruitment is absolutely woeful. Apart from Allan, not one single signing has improved the team. Most are actually worse than what we already have.

[1875STEVE]

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I’ve seen comments on threads today about signings over the summer. My opinion is;

Doidge/ Newell - not good enough
Vela/ Jackson - think they will do well
James/ Maxwell - too early to tell
Scott Allan - touch of class

Heckingbottom has taken a lot of stick but who takes the blame if this turns out to be a bad window. Our supposedly excellent recruitment team seem to get away with murder and all the blame gets put on Heckingbottom. Surely they have to be at least partly accountable.

How can it be "too early to tell" on some summer signings and "not good enough" on others?

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Like the DailyRecord day in a life video? I’m not too sure what folks expect a usb stick delivered to their door? That was about as transparent as it gets and for locally based there’s been trips organised for .net folks. What more can the club do precisely?

every time we lose a game these questions are asked. The official site should just post a link after a loss.

Then folk could moan it was the daily record that got the access.

[Currie Hibee]

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How can it be "too early to tell" on some summer signings and "not good enough" on others?

Newell - apart Fromm Elgin City has looked poor for me in every game he has played.

Doidge - for me just doesn’t look to have the quality and missed some sitters last week and was totally ineffective yesterday.

Maxwell / James - haven’t done anything wrong in games but also haven’t looked like they will add bundles of quality. Therefore maybe too early to tell for them and I think both will play a backup roll so we may never know.

[Winston Ingram]

I really like Doidge, James and Jackson.

Newell barely even looks like a footballer.

[BegbieHSC]

Sounds awfully negative here, but if Ron was prompted after seeing that pile of pish yesterday, to free up some extra money to get more players in, would you trust the gaffer/recruitment to use it wisely?

If not, I think we could be on the verge of a serious problem...

[DetroitHibs]

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Sounds awfully negative here, but if Ron was prompted after seeing that pile of pish yesterday, to free up some extra money to get more players in, would you trust the gaffer/recruitment to use it wisely?

If not, I think we could be on the verge of a serious problem...

An emphatic no from me. Solely based on his signings so far, not a single signing has improved the starting 11.

[Curried]

Missed Milligan big-time against Sevco yesterday.......should have hung on to him IMHO.

[BegbieHSC]

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An emphatic no from me. Solely based on his signings so far, not a single signing has improved the starting 11.

That’s my concern too. After this transfer window, I wouldn’t trust them with more money. Gonna be a loooong season!

[Currie Hibee]

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Sounds awfully negative here, but if Ron was prompted after seeing that pile of pish yesterday, to free up some extra money to get more players in, would you trust the gaffer/recruitment to use it wisely?

If not, I think we could be on the verge of a serious problem...

I agree it’s negative but that’s what we currently have in front of us! It’s not exactly inspiring.

[we are hibs]

I find it laughable some on here were turning their noses up at mcgeouch. He would walk in that midfield ahead of mallan or vela.

[calumhibee1]

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I've said in other threads, the recruitment team gives the manager a list of players for positions and the manager has final say. Stubbs could spot a player, Lennon used agents and contacts and Heckingbottom knows his lower leagues. I think we needed 2-3 decent Scottish players that knew this league and what's expected.

When you say Stubbs could spot a player and Lennon used contacts, do you mean they looked down the list and Stubbs could spot one from the list and Lennon looked for agents/contacts he knew on the list or that they ignored the list and went their own way?

[calumhibee1]

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I find it laughable some on here were turning their noses up at mcgeouch. He would walk in that midfield ahead of mallan or vela.

It is hilarious. Unsure whether he would even have been attainable but he would improve the midfield enormously. Knowing our league is also a big positive.

[Clarence]

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Sounds awfully negative here, but if Ron was prompted after seeing that pile of pish yesterday, to free up some extra money to get more players in, would you trust the gaffer/recruitment to use it wisely?

If not, I think we could be on the verge of a serious problem...

He needs to understand that if his product isn’t entertaining then he will haemorrhage viewers (season ticket holders) rapidly, which is a big problem.

[DetroitHibs]

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I find it laughable some on here were turning their noses up at mcgeouch. He would walk in that midfield ahead of mallan or vela.

I was one of those questioning Dylan. He’s night and day better than those two.

[J-C]

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When you say Stubbs could spot a player and Lennon used contacts, do you mean they looked down the list and Stubbs could spot one from the list and Lennon looked for agents/contacts he knew on the list or that they ignored the list and went their own way?

Stubbs had an eye for a player that was from the list, Lennon used his contacts etc, players that came in during the January window like Flo, McLaren and Sparky cane from the recruitment team. You'll notice that Lennon always had a big turnover in January after his signings proved duds.

[calumhibee1]

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Stubbs had an eye for a player that was from the list, Lennon used his contacts etc, players that came in during the January window like Flo, McLaren and Sparky cane from the recruitment team. You'll notice that Lennon always had a big turnover in January after his signings proved duds.

The recruitment team seems like a bit of a waste of time if the likes of NL (and possibly PH?) are just going to suit themselves anyway imo.