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    Thoughts on Jo Swinson?

    With the focus on what appears to be the looming confirmation of Boris Johnson as PM, Jo Swinson's victory in the Lib Dem leadership election has taken something of a back seat. I must say I didn't know a great deal about her, but reading through this she's got a very solid background in politics for one so relatively young:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49046446

    I wonder if in the event of a general election she might fare rather well, given that Brexit is still likely to dominate the political agenda. Is it feasible she could emerge as a more likely leader of the opposition than Corbyn when you bear in mind Labour's muddled approach to Brexit and their shambolic handling of the anti-Semitism crisis?


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    I am impressed with what I have seen so far. She could attract the more centre right Tories if Boris turns out as expected. In a world where it seems we have the Tories lurching to the right and Labour more to the left there is a space for the centre ground and if she can find a formula to attract these people then she could be onto something.

    Let's see how she does over the next few months in the lead up to end of October.

    The SNP must see her as a threat as within minutes of her being announced leader there was a press release and a Twitter campaign by a number of MPs reminding people of all the 'bad' things she has done. Only in the job for minutes as well.
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    With the focus on what appears to be the looming confirmation of Boris Johnson as PM, Jo Swinson's victory in the Lib Dem leadership election has taken something of a back seat. I must say I didn't know a great deal about her, but reading through this she's got a very solid background in politics for one so relatively young:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49046446

    I wonder if in the event of a general election she might fare rather well, given that Brexit is still likely to dominate the political agenda. Is it feasible she could emerge as a more likely leader of the opposition than Corbyn when you bear in mind Labour's muddled approach to Brexit and their shambolic handling of the anti-Semitism crisis?
    Let's just forget what a cluster**** the Tories have made of this Brexit debacle.

    On the point of Swinson, her voting record in government(check it out) doesn't read very well for those of us on the Left. So Meh.


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    Thoughts on Jo Swinson.





    Just vote tory?
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    She's a Tory.

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    Letís see what she can do. Good that we have someone younger in a leadership position.

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    [QUOTE=James310;5854329]I am impressed with what I have seen so far. She could attract the more centre right Tories if Boris turns out as expected. In a world where it seems we have the Tories lurching to the right and Labour more to the left there is a space for the centre ground and if she can find a formula to attract these people then she could be onto something.

    Let's see how she does over the next few months in the lead up to end of October.

    The SNP must see her as a threat as within minutes of her being announced leader there was a press release and a Twitter campaign by a number of MPs reminding people of all the 'bad' things she has done. Only in the job for minutes as well.[/QUOTE]

    Quite the opposite. I think a lot of people within the SNP will see her appointment as an opportunity to take a major scalp at the next General Election.

    For what it's worth, that is not my position/opinion. I will say, however, that like many Libdems she does strike me as a remain Tory.

    As an aside, can I ask if you are a member of Scotland in Union?

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    Thoughts on Jo Swinson.





    Just vote tory?
    Voted for increasing tuition fees and helped impose austerity. She's a Tory.

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    Letís see what she can do. Good that we have someone younger in a leadership position.
    Only 2 years older than Kezia Dugdale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby View Post
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    Voted for increasing tuition fees and helped impose austerity. She's a Tory.
    if it looks like a duck ..........................

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby View Post
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    Voted for increasing tuition fees and helped impose austerity. She's a Tory.


    We may be afraid of her. But it's not for reasons the anti-independence brigade think. There's something devilish behind the stupidity. Very much like Boris Johnson.

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    I am impressed with what I have seen so far. She could attract the more centre right Tories if Boris turns out as expected. In a world where it seems we have the Tories lurching to the right and Labour more to the left there is a space for the centre ground and if she can find a formula to attract these people then she could be onto something.

    Let's see how she does over the next few months in the lead up to end of October.

    The SNP must see her as a threat as within minutes of her being announced leader there was a press release and a Twitter campaign by a number of MPs reminding people of all the 'bad' things she has done. Only in the job for minutes as well.[/QUOTE]

    Quite the opposite. I think a lot of people within the SNP will see her appointment as an opportunity to take a major scalp at the next General Election.

    For what it's worth, that is not my position/opinion. I will say, however, that like many Libdems she does strike me as a remain Tory.

    As an aside, can I ask if you are a member of Scotland in Union?
    Well there was quite the campaign obviously well prepared ready to go to remind everyone about all the bad things she has done.

    I am not a member of any political party or group and never have been in my life.

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    Well there was quite the campaign obviously well prepared ready to go to remind everyone about all the bad things she has done.


    I am not a member of any political party or group and never have been in my life.
    So?

    The SNP see her as an opportunity, not a threat to their support. So obviously they're going to point out how blatantly tory she is.

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    Well there was quite the campaign obviously well prepared ready to go to remind everyone about all the bad things she has done.

    I am not a member of any political party or group and never have been in my life.
    Her voting record at Westminster is atrocious, why shouldn't the SNP attack her for that. As I said, some within the SNP will want to target her seat.

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    There's a decent vote to be won if she can avoid doing anything ridiculously stupid. Centre right Tories disillusioned with their parties lurch to the right, centre left Labour types disillusioned with their lurch to the left and a whole host of remain voters disillusioned with both of the above named parties lack of cohesion when it comes to Brexit.

    She's not my cup of tea and I wouldn't vote for her but there's a great opportunity there for her if she can chart a safe course.
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    Her voting record at Westminster is atrocious, why shouldn't the SNP attack her for that. As I said, some within the SNP will want to target her seat.
    Just said they must see her as a threat, let's see what she does.

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    Just said they must see her as a threat, let's see what she does.
    No must about it, just your opinion. Maybe more of an opportunity than a threat to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    Just said they must see her as a threat, let's see what she does.
    Enter a coalition with the tories, brexit party and DUP. Seeing as she's already ruled out a coalition with Labour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee View Post
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    Enter a coalition with the tories, brexit party and DUP. Seeing as she's already ruled out a coalition with Labour.
    She might get in to bed with the pro-Euro Tories but absolutely no way will she enter in to a coalition with the Brexit Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allmodcons View Post
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    She might get in to bed with the pro-Euro Tories but absolutely no way will she enter in to a coalition with the Brexit Party.
    That simply isn't possible. Either she enters a coalition with the conservative party (all factions of it), or she doesn't. She hasn't ruled it out. She has however ruled out a coalition with the Labour Party.

    I have no doubt that if the circumstances present themselves where the Liberal Democrats are the difference between forming the next conservative government or not, they'll jump straight into bed with the lot of them, regardless of who else they're in coalition with.
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    I can't trust a Scottish person with an accent like that.

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    It's going to take a long time for the Lib Dems to recover from the coalition with the Tories. Their vote has collapsed since. Most Lib Dem voters are centre left types, and the role of the party in the austerity era alienated many of them.
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    I can't trust a Scottish person with an accent like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee View Post
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    That simply isn't possible. Either she enters a coalition with the conservative party (all factions of it), or she doesn't. She hasn't ruled it out. She has however ruled out a coalition with the Labour Party.

    I have no doubt that if the circumstances present themselves were the Liberal Democrats are the difference between forming the next conservative government or not, they'll jump straight into bed with the lot of them, regardless of who else they're in coalition with.
    Read my post. She can 'get in to bed' with whoever she wants. I know she can't form a Government coalition with the pro-Euro Tories but she can 'get in to bed' with them.

    You are deluded if you think she'll get involved in a Government coalition that includes the Brexit Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allmodcons View Post
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    Read my post. She can 'get in to bed' with whoever she wants. I know she can't form a Government coalition with the pro-Euro Tories but she can 'get in to bed' with them.

    You are deluded if you think she'll get involved in a Government coalition that includes the Brexit Party.
    Yeah, well we'll see. If the opportunity presents itself. We'll see if the Lib Dems are really prepared to bring down the next tory government should they rely on the numbers from the lib dems to make up a functional government.

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    Canít stand her or her party and I donít trust her or her party. Look what happened the last time they were in government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee View Post
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    Yeah, well we'll see. If the opportunity presents itself. We'll see if the Lib Dems are really prepared to bring down the next tory government should they rely on the numbers from the lib dems to make up a functional government.
    You're moving the goalposts FH. They might 'work' with the Tories but not the Brexit Party. Another coalition with the Tories would see them severely wounded as a credible Party. A coalition involving the Brexit Party would finish them "ad infinitum".

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    Quote Originally Posted by allmodcons View Post
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    You're moving the goalposts FH. They might 'work' with the Tories but not the Brexit Party. Another coalition with the Tories would see them severely wounded as a credible Party. A coalition involving the Brexit Party would finish them "ad infinitum".
    You think Jo Swinson cares about the Liberal Democrats? She isn't a Liberal Democrat. Get it? Her voting record as an MP is not remotely reflective of someone who is either Liberal or Democrat. She's a tory that has wormed her way to the top of the party, she'll dispose of them as soon as the party has fulfilled her own personal agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee View Post
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    You think Jo Swinson cares about the Liberal Democrats? She isn't a Liberal Democrat. Get it? Her voting record as an MP is not remotely reflective of someone who is either Liberal or Democrat. She's a tory that has wormed her way to the top of the party, she'll dispose of them as soon as the party has fulfilled her own personal agenda.
    I get it alright. I agree her voting record makes her a 'soft' Tory but she is no Brexiteer.

    You need to read other people's posts before replying, as I said earlier "if it looks like a duck.........."

    You appear to be suggesting that she is some kind of Agent Provocateur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allmodcons View Post
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    I get it alright. I agree her voting record makes her a 'soft' Tory but she is no Brexiteer.

    You need to read other people's posts before replying, as I said earlier "if it looks like a duck.........."

    You appear to be suggesting that she is some kind of Agent Provocateur.
    That's exactly what i'm suggesting.

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