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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Clash View Post
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    So let me get this right? We are sabre rattling with Iran over a Swedish owned tanker that’s operating under a ‘Flag of Convenience’ (FOC) by a UK company who refuse to employ UK ratings; instead exploiting seafarers from across the globe on £1.75 an hour.


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    It’s flying a British Flag. It’s our problem. Doesn’t matter who owns it or crews it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bristolhibby View Post
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    It’s flying a British Flag. It’s our problem. Doesn’t matter who owns it or crews it.

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    Yes - sadly FOCs allow exploitative ship owners to engage in ‘social dumping’. I’m not saying Iran was right seizing the Swedish ship that was flying a uk flag but neither do I think it’s right paying any workers £1.75 an hour on ‘3 months on 2 - weeks off’ rotas. Why was the Swedish ship not flying the Swedish flag? Sweden has a strong code and at the forefront of Maritime safety. Swedish registered ships also entitle employees working on those ships to seafarers’ income, which isn’t £1.75 an hour!!!

    Seems the owners were well aware of the cost cutting (as made clear in that link you just posted) that a uk flag would offer. Should be one rate for the job regardless of your nationality.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Clash View Post
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    Yes - sadly FOCs allow exploitative ship owners to engage in ‘social dumping’. I’m not saying Iran was right seizing the Swedish ship that was flying a uk flag but neither do I think it’s right paying any workers £1.75 an hour on ‘3 months on 2 - weeks off’ rotas. Why was the Swedish ship not flying the Swedish flag? Sweden has a strong code and at the forefront of Maritime safety. Swedish registered ships also entitle employees working on those ships to seafarers’ income, which isn’t £1.75 an hour!!!

    Seems the owners were well aware of the cost cutting (as made clear in that link you just posted) that a uk flag would offer. Should be one rate for the job regardless of your nationality.




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    When I was at sea many of us refused to sail under a flag of convenience. Seeing the Red Ensign become one itself is pretty sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    They’ve got two tankers now.
    Is it more of a game of Top Trumps then?
    .. rather than a diplomatic situation?
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    as long as you make a note to .. EXPRESS YOURSELF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Clash View Post
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    Yes - sadly FOCs allow exploitative ship owners to engage in ‘social dumping’. I’m not saying Iran was right seizing the Swedish ship that was flying a uk flag but neither do I think it’s right paying any workers £1.75 an hour on ‘3 months on 2 - weeks off’ rotas. Why was the Swedish ship not flying the Swedish flag? Sweden has a strong code and at the forefront of Maritime safety. Swedish registered ships also entitle employees working on those ships to seafarers’ income, which isn’t £1.75 an hour!!!

    Seems the owners were well aware of the cost cutting (as made clear in that link you just posted) that a uk flag would offer. Should be one rate for the job regardless of your nationality.




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    Spot on Johnny. That is the way I read it. My auld man, 20 years dead now was in the Merchant Navy sailing from Leith, in incalculable more dangerous times for a seafairer, during the Second World war. He despise the, Liberian flag and pitiful conditions stuff that evolved decades later.
    I do not know which I am prouder off his odds against survival in the Arctic Convoy/ Sea of Japan or being so Hibs daft that he insisted on calling me in 1954 after his hero. No not Churchill, Montgomery et al. but Gordon Smith. Thanks Dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GORDONSMITH7 View Post
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    Spot on Johnny. That is the way I read it. My auld man, 20 years dead now was in the Merchant Navy sailing from Leith, in incalculable more dangerous times for a seafairer, during the Second World war. He despise the, Liberian flag and pitiful conditions stuff that evolved decades later.
    I do not know which I am prouder off his odds against survival in the Arctic Convoy/ Sea of Japan or being so Hibs daft that he insisted on calling me in 1954 after his hero. No not Churchill, Montgomery et al. but Gordon Smith. Thanks Dad.

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