Reading about Ron Gordon and the great position our club is in these days got me thinking about darker times in our history. What ever happened to David Duff and Jim Gray?
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19-07-2019 02:00 PM #1Coaching Staff
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Duff and Gray
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19-07-2019 02:13 PM #2@hibs.net private member
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Chucklevision? Duff ended up doing jailtime for fraud a few years after the Hibs saga.
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19-07-2019 02:33 PM #3First Team Regular
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Yeah. Got out of jail, then was hired by the Edinburgh University settlement, drove THAT into bankruptcy with shady financial dealings and was last heard of 4 years ago being prosecuted for fraud *again*, in relation to about £250k being swiped from the Uni. For some reason, the newspapers of record don't actually say whether he was convicted for a second time.
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19-07-2019 02:51 PM #4@hibs.net private member
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Let’s not forget Spotty Rowland and his part in it all 💩 Originally Posted by Since452
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19-07-2019 03:56 PM #5Coaching Staff
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Jeezo. Some character Originally Posted by Aim Here
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19-07-2019 04:00 PM #6Coaching Staff
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Who cares about that pair of cants. Life time ago and best forgotten... Originally Posted by Since452
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19-07-2019 04:17 PM #7Coaching Staff
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As a warning to all it should never be forgotten. Originally Posted by HoboHarry
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19-07-2019 04:23 PM #8@hibs.net private member
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Us of a certain age will never forget. Originally Posted by Lago
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The only glimmer of light was duff refusing to sell his shares to mercer.
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19-07-2019 04:31 PM #9InconsequentialLeft by mutual consent!That's right although the pair were responsible for the awful mess that Hibs found themselves in Duff refused to sell his shares and that's why we still have a club. Not that I'm praising him in any way he was a character that couldn't be more aptly named. Originally Posted by DarlingtonHibee
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19-07-2019 04:36 PM #10Coaching Staff
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Totally agree Originally Posted by DarlingtonHibee
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19-07-2019 05:01 PM #11First Team Regular
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That's not even all. In between coming out of jail the first time, and embezzling from the University of Edinburgh settlement, Duff got involved with out and out gangsters in Bristol as a legal advisor, and ended up in the witness protection program, after his name ended up on a hitlist. His testimony managed to get someone put in jail for a couple of murders - and there's an appeal underway, because people are starting to realise that Duff is a bit of a lying ****. Originally Posted by Since452
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Duff even complained to the Press Complaints Commission because the Times reported all this, but the PCC told him to GTF.
Some guy, eh?
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19-07-2019 05:05 PM #12First Team Regular
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From memory it wasn’t any of those 3 fools who saved us it was the wife of one of them who refused to sell her share of the shares, that’s what made the deal fall apart and thankfully so.
The darkest time during my time supporting our great club but it galvanised us somewhat culminating in the skol cup win in 91.
I for one one will never forget however, and none of us should. Still get emotional thinking about that time.
GGTTH.
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Both duff and Sheila Rowland, his ex wife refused to sell. Originally Posted by Fergos
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19-07-2019 05:09 PM #14Left by mutual consent!
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Gray was the Hibby and a bit of a patsy in the whole thing. His sister had married Gray. Met him a few times and genuinely seemed out of his depth but not crooked.
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Big debt owed to Sheila Rowland
She refused to sell her shares along with Duff
The Directors rejected Mercer’s take over bid 4-2
Rowland and James for
Duff Gray Munro and Sheila Rowland againstLast edited by BILLYHIBS; 19-07-2019 at 05:27 PM.
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19-07-2019 05:21 PM #16Left by mutual consent!
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Jim Gray today: https://www.sivessurfacing.com/meet-the-team/
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19-07-2019 05:22 PM #17Ultimate Slaver
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Didn't that shyster Rowland end up being Treasurer of the Tory party?
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Was a hard time to be a Hibby. Der Hun were spending millions, hearts were paying way beyond their means and other clubs were also spending money they just did not have. We had been brutal for the best part of 15 years or so and the club were desperate. It was an obvious place for a bunch of crooks to look for an easy (or so they thought) killing. Every one of them is as dodgy as **** in one way or another. Sheila Rowland gets a wee bit of credit. Duff gets none as it was him that had put us there
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19-07-2019 05:27 PM #19First Team Regular
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I stand partially corrected. Still don’t like him! Originally Posted by DarlingtonHibee
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GGTTH
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19-07-2019 05:28 PM #20Testimonial Due
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Wow, would never have recognised him. Originally Posted by Speedway
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Wonder if he ever goes to Easter Road or if he just thinks it’s for the best not to?
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19-07-2019 05:29 PM #21Can I borrow some ambition?
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Duff is in witness protection after a hit was put out on him a few years back. Whilst in the pokey he got in tow with some pretty heavy types and was involved in all sorts. Originally Posted by Baader
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The Bristol cable did a four part story which covered it, first part below
https://thebristolcable.org/series/c...the-cornerman/
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19-07-2019 05:47 PM #22First Team Regular
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[QUOTE=Keith_M;5850922]Didn't that shyster Rowland end up being Treasurer of the Tory party?[/QUOTE
And now sits in the House of Lords. Come the revolution ....
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19-07-2019 06:27 PM #23Administrator
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https://youtu.be/5qS6VBho4Lo
Quite an interesting watch from the time for anyone with a spare half hour.
Who was Ramsay Dalgety? Until I watched the doc above fairly recently it wasn't a name I can recall seeing mentioned in all the stories of the time?
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19-07-2019 07:15 PM #24Left by mutual consent!
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Thanks for that! Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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19-07-2019 07:22 PM #25Coaching Staff
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Good watch cheers Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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19-07-2019 07:25 PM #26Testimonial Due
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Very interesting watch. Duff comes across as extremely gullible and not very astute business wise. Maybe that's how the other stories above have come about. Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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Thanks for the share PBLast edited by Wakeyhibee; 19-07-2019 at 07:59 PM.
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19-07-2019 08:13 PM #27Coaching Staff
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Doesn’t surprise me one bit! Originally Posted by Keith_M
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19-07-2019 08:18 PM #28First Team Breakthrough
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Interesting watch. Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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Summaries how far we’ve come and how complicated the football club was in those days. What struck me the most was how Duff referred to Hibs as ‘the company / business’ never the football club.
I remember the whole episode well, to the extent my blood still boils when I see / hear the prick mercer!
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19-07-2019 08:21 PM #29First Team Regular
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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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Ramsay Dalgetty was a colourful Hibs supporting QC who was vice chairman of the Shareholders Association and had met several times with the Association with Duff and Gray. Well conected and was involved behind the sceens trying to get investors to thwart Mercer. Ultimately became a High Court Judge in Tonga I think!
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19-07-2019 08:39 PM #30Coaching Staff
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The Hearts faithful now appear to revere Mercer. Somewhat different when he sold out his shareholding to Robinson and that numpty Estate Agent whose name escapes me. At one stage Mercer was threatening to take the pair of them to court over payments. He was persona non grata down Gorgie those days.
Mercer attempted to do what no football owner in the UK has ever attempted in many decades and buy up his rivals to shut them down.
Imagine the furore if Villa bought up Birmingham City to close them down or Palace bought up Charlton. Is there a pups chance that the English football authorities would accept that? Apparently it was ok in Scotland.
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