Agreed. Just think if we'd had to sit and wait on a VAR decision on 21/6/16 - and then it was disallowed (I'm sure they'd have done their best to find something wrong).This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Another drawback is that linesmen are no longer flagging for marginal offside because VAR will make the decision for them. That means that play goes on, the attacking team scores/someone is brought down in the box/someone gets injured and then play is brought back because there was an offside at the outset but the linesman didn't flag.
I think VAR has a place, but it's currently being over-used. IMO it should be used only where the referee has made a clear error, or for off the ball incidents and dives. Rather than analysing whether a player's shoulder is offside (as happened to Waghorn in the FA Cup) the VAR should simply consider whether the decision was blatantly wrong or not - one replay should usually be enough IMO.
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Thread: VAR - is it good for the game?
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24-06-2019 08:48 AM #61
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24-06-2019 08:52 AM #62This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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24-06-2019 09:39 AM #64
Ditch VAR. Keep the goalline technology so we can see if it's a goal.
Keep the game as simple as possible.
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24-06-2019 09:43 AM #65
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24-06-2019 09:45 AM #66
If we're going to use VAR fine. But don't use it until the referees are adequately trained in using it.
It's an utter joke that it's been rolled out just now with so many issues. Think it's having a negative effect.
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24-06-2019 09:49 AM #67This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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I like VAR as a concept, because, in theory, it should make the game more fair. The problem is that, at the moment, it's application is so inconsistent that it's actually being perceived as creating unfairness. I haven't seen it explained anywhere, but I don't understand how we got to the stage of using VAR to review the GK's position at penalty kicks - there's no scope for that based on IFAB's own VAR principles, so why is it happening?
Also, on the general point of poor officiating, the England v Cameroon match yesterday saw a lot of attention on VAR for England's second goal and Cameroon's disallowed goal, but I think both decisions were right. However, I think England's first and third goal were worth talking about; for me, it was never a backpass for the first goal and, for the third, the corner wasn't taken from inside corner area.
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24-06-2019 09:51 AM #68This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You can't bin VAR just because some day a decision might go against your own team because of it. Equally plenty of poor decisions that went against us over the years would have been corrected if it had been used.
TMO decisions have been in existence for nearly 20 years in rugby and you'd struggle to find a single rugby supporter who would want the system abandoned. Sometimes decisions go your way, sometimes they go against you. As long as more decisions are correct over the longer term than were previously it's worth keeping.
Especially in our league where there are regular suspicions of favouritism towards two teams in particular, everyone else should be pushing for the technology to be introduced.
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24-06-2019 09:55 AM #69This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The problem has been that the standard of referees has been as bad as the standard of football in this tournament, the VAR itself has been fine.
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24-06-2019 10:04 AM #70
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As the song goes - VAR what is it good for?
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24-06-2019 10:09 AM #71
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The Rugby version is much better and less comicated. FIFA have overthought the process. Maybe there should be an NFL style 3 challenge rule where the bench can ask for a review.
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24-06-2019 10:15 AM #72
The thing VAR has highlighted, which very few people actually seem to be talking about (easier to just blame the scary new technology I guess), is that referees are absolutely ****ing horrendous across the board.
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24-06-2019 11:13 AM #74
With most of the decisions referees have to make being matter opinion, VAR can help with decision making but ultimately it’s still matter of opinion and arguments will continue to rage on over decisions.
Most people appear to be happy to have goal line technology, which largely is fact based, but VAR on the whole has been detrimental to the sport rather than an improvement.
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24-06-2019 11:38 AM #75
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Was never for it in the first place and it's even worse than what I expected now it's being implemented.
Slowly but surely the gap that sets our great game apart from every other sh*t sport is being eroded.
Yes it's likely here to stay, but not because it's been a success. Those that made such a song and dance about how important it was to introduce VAR and invest so much money and effort into it, will be too stubborn to acknowledge that it's actually p1sh.
But it is p1sh.
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24-06-2019 11:46 AM #76
It should work but it hasn't really.
I don't really know how you can watch a game of football on TV with a beer in hand, see all of the replays and come up with a fairly good idea of which decisions are right and wrong yet it seems to be so difficult for VAR and qualified referees to get it right.
VAR itself isn't so much the problem but I think there are increasingly contentious areas regarding certain rules, such as handball.
I also think that referees feel obliged to change their minds when seeing the VAR, rather than stick to their guns if they look at the screen and don't see a penalty/ red card/ handball etc.
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24-06-2019 12:17 PM #77
What’s the phrase? “Don’t hate the player, hate the game”. In this case it is don’t hate the game, hate the player. It is crap referees that is at fault with VAR. The FIFA version of VAR makes it worse (so in this sense it is partly the game). They shouldn’t have the match referee view the incident. It should be more like the English version where a separate official (or team of them) makes the decision. That doesn’t negate the problem that a lot of refs are incompetent/corrupt. A third element comes into the FIFA version... self-protectionism.
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24-06-2019 12:38 PM #78
The concept is a positive, but the way it is being used just isn't working for whatever reason. I would argue that we've been screaming for help for referees for difficult decisions but this is still too much left to the ref and there are too many regulations with it.
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24-06-2019 02:01 PM #80This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
VAR should in general be used to assist refs, but not to overrule them or make decisions for them. It's the watering down of iconic moments that I object to.
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24-06-2019 02:20 PM #81
The game needs technology, especially at the top level where marginal decisions aren't just the trigger of debates in pubs, households and online: these decisions are now worth a substantial amount of money to clubs at the top chasing titles and European berths, and those at the bottom fighting to keep their hands on a piece of the pie.
Goal-line technology alone isn't sufficient. It's great for stopping situations like Leigh or Ollie, but let's go back to THAT cup final. VAR would have awarded them a free kick and not a penalty. I'm not saying it changes the outcome, but it has an impact.
The handball rule is going to be a nonsense with or without VAR. That's where the quality of officials will come into play. Dealing with offsides is a situation where it SHOULD shine, but the way it's being implemented is causing all sorts of bother. The lady in the England vs Cameroon game yesterday was probably a stud offside. Again, that's perhaps a critique of the rule rather than the technology, but there's no "benefit of the doubt to the attacker" any longer.
The use of it to identify penalties in the box is valuable. The use of it at penalties to monitor the position of the goalkeeper's feet is not. The use of it to determine red cards that were missed by the officials is fine by me. But that still leaves some subjective decision making to be undertaken by the official team.
I think we need technology in the game - I just don't think the VAR exhibition during the World Cup is necessarily winning over any doubters.
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24-06-2019 02:35 PM #82This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Then the Champions league final, never a penalty in my opinion, and the constant reference to VAR looking at incidents has ruined the game FOR ME.
Not sure if you only celebrate goals when Hibs are playing, but i can still get excited when other teams are playing?
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24-06-2019 02:38 PM #83
Nothing to do with VAR but I don't properly celebrate a Hibs goal until I've glanced at the linesman and referee to see if the goal has been given.
That is unless there has been absolutely nothing contentious in the build up to the goal.
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24-06-2019 02:38 PM #84
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I know the day is coming soon where my coupon for a life-changing sum is burst 5 minutes after being up. That will be a very sad and sore one.
I've lost coupons every other way though so why not
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24-06-2019 02:48 PM #85
I hate it!
I do agree with goal line technology. VAR is just another example of the game being ruined by big money. Their argument is there is so much at stake to just accept the referee has made a mistake irritates me. First and foremost it is a game. If you can’t have VAR at all levels of the game then it shouldn’t be allowed just for the big leagues. All my football life I have been told the referee decision is final. Whether we agree with that decision or not we can debate on here or in the pub afterwards. It is one of the fundamentals of our game that makes it so exciting and unpredictable
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24-06-2019 03:00 PM #86
Was all for it but the way it's being implemented is all wrong and it's spoiling the game.
Sort it or just get rid. Goalline technology works well.
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24-06-2019 03:08 PM #88
After watching England v Cameroon last night I could feel myself falling out of love with the game
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24-06-2019 03:46 PM #89This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I really wish someone would start an online petition to stop VAR from being introduced to Scottish football. I would sign.
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