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    I loved the punk "movement" and it was hugely important and influential as has been said.

    I liked everything the Clash did and I was gutted when it all started to go pear shaped.

    I saw them a few times and to this day, I still want a pair of Mick Jones' red bondage style trousers. 😁

    Lot's of bands and artists came through on the coattails of punk.

    Elvis Costello, a huge hero of mine, wouldn't have become so popular so quickly without it, imo.

    Punk changed the direction of travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    I loved the punk "movement" and it was hugely important and influential as has been said.

    I liked everything the Clash did and I was gutted when it all started to go pear shaped.

    I saw them a few times and to this day, I still want a pair of Mick Jones' red bondage style trousers. 😁

    Lot's of bands and artists came through on the coattails of punk.

    Elvis Costello, a huge hero of mine, wouldn't have become so popular so quickly without it, imo.

    Punk changed the direction of travel.
    On FB a mate, and good Hibs fan, said he didn't know much about Costello the other day. Another mate and I started listing songs for an introductory compilation. We got to 40 songs easily and quickly, all brilliant!!

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    On FB a mate, and good Hibs fan, said he didn't know much about Costello the other day. Another mate and I started listing songs for an introductory compilation. We got to 40 songs easily and quickly, all brilliant!!
    Easily done.

    I've seen Elvis dozens of times and,, apart from North, I like everything he's produced.

    Alison remains my favourite song ever.

    I met him after a gig in the Glasgow Royal Concert Hall about 3 years ago. I mumbled something about his music being the soundtrack of my life and said nowt else! Wasted opportunity.

    He's a genius.
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    Oi Polloi are still going. I know their drummer and know guys who played guitar and bass at various points for them. They've had more members than the Fall!!!
    Yeah Ive watched various clips, think at the time they were fairly new, Portobello based, I believe only the lead singer is the only original member after many many changes 😆

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    Easily done.

    I've seen Elvis dozens of times and,, apart from North, I like everything he's produced.

    Alison remains my favourite song ever.

    I met him after a gig in the Glasgow Royal Concert Hall about 3 years ago. I mumbled something about his music being the soundtrack of my life and said nowt else! Wasted opportunity.

    He's a genius.
    Wait a minute. Even Goodbye Cruel World? Even the man himself says that one is honking. Just finished his book. I take it you bought that virtually immediately when it came out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lester B View Post
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    Wait a minute. Even Goodbye Cruel World? Even the man himself says that one is honking. Just finished his book. I take it you bought that virtually immediately when it came out?
    I quite like GCW even if it got panned.

    I was moving from Edinburgh to York when Unfaithful Music and Disappearing Ink was published and my head was full of other stresses so I didn't get round to buying it until fairly recently.

    I'm ashamed to say that it's unread, but I'll remedy that shortly. That's the problem with hardbacks, very difficult to read in bed.
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    It will not surprise anyone to learn that I'm a fan of The Jam who I, personally, don't consider a 'punk' band. Was lucky enough to see them at Glasgow Apollo in 1982 on their Trans Global Unity Express Tour.

    I'm not a fan of the Sex Pistols but love The Clash. I can't listen to hard core punk bands like Discharge, UK Subs and The Dead Kennedys. Edinburgh band The Exploited are probably as bad as it gets for me.

    I love some of the post punk stuff and think Billy Bragg, who attributes his musical being to Punk, is an absolute lyrical genius.

    Modern day, I've seen Slaves a couple of times and think they are immense live.

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    It will not surprise anyone to learn that I'm a fan of The Jam who I, personally, don't consider a 'punk' band. Was lucky enough to see them at Glasgow Apollo in 1982 on their Trans Global Unity Express Tour.

    I'm not a fan of the Sex Pistols but love The Clash. I can't listen to hard core punk bands like Discharge, UK Subs and The Dead Kennedys. Edinburgh band The Exploited are probably as bad as it gets for me.

    I love some of the post punk stuff and think Billy Bragg, who attributes his musical being to Punk, is an absolute lyrical genius.

    Modern day, I've seen Slaves a couple of times and think they are immense live.
    The Clash were a hundred times more creative than the rest in my opinion. They weren't just headbangers but employed other musical forms - notably reggae - in their albums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allmodcons View Post
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    It will not surprise anyone to learn that I'm a fan of The Jam who I, personally, don't consider a 'punk' band. Was lucky enough to see them at Glasgow Apollo in 1982 on their Trans Global Unity Express Tour.

    I'm not a fan of the Sex Pistols but love The Clash. I can't listen to hard core punk bands like Discharge, UK Subs and The Dead Kennedys. Edinburgh band The Exploited are probably as bad as it gets for me.

    I love some of the post punk stuff and think Billy Bragg, who attributes his musical being to Punk, is an absolute lyrical genius.

    Modern day, I've seen Slaves a couple of times and think they are immense live.
    I roadied for The Questions at the playhouse when they were supporting The Jam in 1982 and I met them backstage.

    Paul Weller told me that Bruce Foxton was known as "The Woman" because he took so long to get ready, but that's all I can remember about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allmodcons View Post
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    It will not surprise anyone to learn that I'm a fan of The Jam who I, personally, don't consider a 'punk' band. Was lucky enough to see them at Glasgow Apollo in 1982 on their Trans Global Unity Express Tour.

    I'm not a fan of the Sex Pistols but love The Clash. I can't listen to hard core punk bands like Discharge, UK Subs and The Dead Kennedys. Edinburgh band The Exploited are probably as bad as it gets for me.

    I love some of the post punk stuff and think Billy Bragg, who attributes his musical being to Punk, is an absolute lyrical genius.

    Modern day, I've seen Slaves a couple of times and think they are immense live.
    I always thought that the newtown neurotics were pretty much what a punk version of Billy Bragg would sound like.

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    I got lifted along with dozens of young punks back in 1978 after a Clash gig in Glasgow. Was supposed to be the last ever gig at the Appolo. We were about 8 to a cell when word got round that Joe and Paul had also been lifted. We sung 'The Prisoner' over and over for hours and the cops were going crazy. Gor released about 3am. Got a lift back to Queen St from a cell mates brother. Had to kip in the toilets until the first train back to Edinburgh. Was 18 then and am 60 now but a crazy night I will never forget. I met Joe Years later and he remembered that night, he got lifted for dropping a juice bottle wheras I got nicked for 'refusing to move on'. Happy days.

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    It would be a dull place if we all liked the same thing.

    I'll really put the cat amongst the pigeons and state that the clash only had one great album and London calling is no better than average

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    I must admit I like loads of different music and loved Green Day up and including American Idiot. I have all their albums but having bought any of their albums since AI!

    My mate has thousands of vinyl singles and albums with 99% punk of all eras. (Worth an absolute fortune I hasten to add)

    He got me into Rise Against, country (ish) punk stars the Supersuckers, Bouncing Souks and loads more. Many a ‘mixed CD’ with some superb music.

    We have the odd Saturday sesh in his converted garage with Sky Sports News on mute and song after song playing away in back ground (sipping a few beers or 3 as we go along)


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    Punk was before my time, but I love listening to that era now, with the DIY non-corporate attitude. One of the great developments in popular music, the impact it had on youth at the time must have been so exciting. Sex Pistols first TV appearance, 1976, with the late Tony Wilson. Imagine being a young kid who had to listen to mainstream radio of Elton John, ABBA etc in 1976, pre-internet and when there was only three TV channels, then seeing this on the box. Talk about life changing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    I quite like GCW even if it got panned.

    I was moving from Edinburgh to York when Unfaithful Music and Disappearing Ink was published and my head was full of other stresses so I didn't get round to buying it until fairly recently.

    I'm ashamed to say that it's unread, but I'll remedy that shortly. That's the problem with hardbacks, very difficult to read in bed.
    Missed this reply. No need to be ashamed about not having read it yet!

    It's pretty rambling in terms of the narrative. He moves between years and even decades and a few people I know who love EC do struggle with the way he tells his story.

    But unsurprisingly it's beautifully written and while he doesn't go into any detail in relation to both his second wife and ex bass player, they are clearly not on his Christmas card list. At all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
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    Punk was before my time, but I love listening to that era now, with the DIY non-corporate attitude. One of the great developments in popular music, the impact it had on youth at the time must have been so exciting. Sex Pistols first TV appearance, 1976, with the late Tony Wilson. Imagine being a young kid who had to listen to mainstream radio of Elton John, ABBA etc in 1976, pre-internet and when there was only three TV channels, then seeing this on the box. Talk about life changing!

    From that to selling butter

    I get what you're saying about it being something completely new and a release from the drudgery of what was mainstream at the time. However, to go from the 60s, which was the greatest decade for music IMO, to that is like entering the musical dark ages IMO. That's not denigrate Punk, more that I don't get anything about the Sex Pistols at all. Although as I said previously the "Punk" bands I do like are probably more Post Punk than actual Punk, but not meaning to come across as snobbish towards punk. More that I specifically only see The Sex Pistols as shouty noise.

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    From that to selling butter

    I get what you're saying about it being something completely new and a release from the drudgery of what was mainstream at the time. However, to go from the 60s, which was the greatest decade for music IMO, to that is like entering the musical dark ages IMO. That's not denigrate Punk, more that I don't get anything about the Sex Pistols at all. Although as I said previously the "Punk" bands I do like are probably more Post Punk than actual Punk, but not meaning to come across as snobbish towards punk. More that I specifically only see The Sex Pistols as shouty noise.
    Shouty noise can be quite good though.

    And the thing I find about looking back at the Sex Pistols is that their shouty noise was more tuneful than quite a lot of the shouty noise that has come since then. They created the shouty noise mould and would have been a big shock compared to a lot of the top notch melodic stuff that had come along during the previous decade and a bit.

    When I think of punk I think a lot more about fashion, haircuts and attitudes than I do about the music, and when a "scene" is more about those things than the music then it is inevitable that it isn't going to age particularly well.

    The thing I would say about the punk scene is that a lot of people who were part of it went on to have a very significant impact on the next couple of decades. Many of the best artists of the 80s and 90s got interested in music during punk, so it undoubtedly had a major influence beyond its time. I don't know that much about punk but I hear it referenced by all of the people who I have been into during my lifetime, and whilst I've never really got into it retrospectively, I've got into a lot of stuff that was very heavily influenced by it.

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    I must admit I like loads of different music and loved Green Day up and including American Idiot. I have all their albums but having bought any of their albums since AI!

    My mate has thousands of vinyl singles and albums with 99% punk of all eras. (Worth an absolute fortune I hasten to add)

    He got me into Rise Against, country (ish) punk stars the Supersuckers, Bouncing Souks and loads more. Many a ‘mixed CD’ with some superb music.

    We have the odd Saturday sesh in his converted garage with Sky Sports News on mute and song after song playing away in back ground (sipping a few beers or 3 as we go along)


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    Punk stuff is pretty collectable these days. I rarely play my suspect device single since seeing one go for £400 on ebay a few years back.

    The Supersuckers are a great band, seen them live a good few times and they always put on a great show. The smoke of hell, the sacrilicous sounds and the evil powers of rock and roll are great albums.

    If you like the rock n roll thing then check out The Bones.

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    Punk stuff is pretty collectable these days. I rarely play my suspect device single since seeing one go for £400 on ebay a few years back.

    The Supersuckers are a great band, seen them live a good few times and they always put on a great show. The smoke of hell, the sacrilicous sounds and the evil powers of rock and roll are great albums.

    If you like the rock n roll thing then check out The Bones.

    https://youtu.be/Qx4SmTevXuY

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    It’s very collectible if you know what your looking for and he does. He goes to Utrecht and Blackpool every year and has done so for as long as I can remember. Sells loads every week.

    Meant to say in previous post Gaslight Anthem is another Favourite with some excellent tunes.


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    It’s very collectible if you know what your looking for and he does. He goes to Utrecht and Blackpool every year and has done so for as long as I can remember. Sells loads every week.

    Meant to say in previous post Gaslight Anthem is another Favourite with some excellent tunes.


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    Blackpool, and morecambe when they did alternate years there, were good for getting records but the prices were pretty high. Although that said I picked up shock troops by cock sparrer on razor records at Blackpool '96 for £5 off a French guy whilst the stalls either side of him had it for £50 and £70

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    Quote Originally Posted by degenerated View Post
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    Blackpool, and morecambe when they did alternate years there, were good for getting records but the prices were pretty high. Although that said I picked up shock troops by cock sparrer on razor records at Blackpool '96 for £5 off a French guy whilst the stalls either side of him had it for £50 and £70

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    From that to selling butter

    I get what you're saying about it being something completely new and a release from the drudgery of what was mainstream at the time. However, to go from the 60s, which was the greatest decade for music IMO, to that is like entering the musical dark ages IMO. That's not denigrate Punk, more that I don't get anything about the Sex Pistols at all. Although as I said previously the "Punk" bands I do like are probably more Post Punk than actual Punk, but not meaning to come across as snobbish towards punk. More that I specifically only see The Sex Pistols as shouty noise.
    It could also be argued, however, that the dark ages were the first half of the 70s where progressive rock and endless guitar solos by long haired blokes in dreadful clothes who looked 20 years older than the actually were paved the way for punk to inject the music scene with some long overdue excitement.

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    I got lifted along with dozens of young punks back in 1978 after a Clash gig in Glasgow. Was supposed to be the last ever gig at the Appolo. We were about 8 to a cell when word got round that Joe and Paul had also been lifted. We sung 'The Prisoner' over and over for hours and the cops were going crazy. Gor released about 3am. Got a lift back to Queen St from a cell mates brother. Had to kip in the toilets until the first train back to Edinburgh. Was 18 then and am 60 now but a crazy night I will never forget. I met Joe Years later and he remembered that night, he got lifted for dropping a juice bottle wheras I got nicked for 'refusing to move on'. Happy days.
    Legendary night by all accounts (with the Specials as support!). You might spot yourself here:
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    As someone who probably spends more time on music forums than football ones this is fascinating thread.

    We can all agree on football. I thought I liked music from that era and without wishing to offend anyone (the ultimate musical fanboy opening line) loads of the stuff listed here is dire.

    I know that won't be a popular opinion but sheesh I've just read it again
    Are you aware of this music forum, it's one where I spend a lot of time?

    https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/forums/music-corner.2/

    Started off as an audiophile forum (and still is to an extent), but is much more general discussion around music as well. Majority American members, but tons from the UK as Europe as well. It's a really well used forum, threads disappear from the front page in about 10 minutes at busy times.

    It's a little bit too much classic rock, and they do love The Beatles, but there are threads on just about everything and anything.

    I kind of agree with you, much of the punk music that I listenened to as a youth (had an older brother that influenced me) has not aged well, though there are some notable exceptions, like The Ruts, The Jam (whether they were punk or not), Siouxsie, SLF.

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    It could also be argued, however, that the dark ages were the first half of the 70s where progressive rock and endless guitar solos by long haired blokes in dreadful clothes who looked 20 years older than the actually were paved the way for punk to inject the music scene with some long overdue excitement.
    I've just turned 50 now and must admit that I now quite like some of the stuff that punk railed against, would never have believed that many years ago.

    Just listening to Chris Robinson Brotherhood's new CD, some good 70's style guitar jams on that.

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    Shouty noise can be quite good though.

    And the thing I find about looking back at the Sex Pistols is that their shouty noise was more tuneful than quite a lot of the shouty noise that has come since then. They created the shouty noise mould and would have been a big shock compared to a lot of the top notch melodic stuff that had come along during the previous decade and a bit.

    When I think of punk I think a lot more about fashion, haircuts and attitudes than I do about the music, and when a "scene" is more about those things than the music then it is inevitable that it isn't going to age particularly well.

    The thing I would say about the punk scene is that a lot of people who were part of it went on to have a very significant impact on the next couple of decades. Many of the best artists of the 80s and 90s got interested in music during punk, so it undoubtedly had a major influence beyond its time. I don't know that much about punk but I hear it referenced by all of the people who I have been into during my lifetime, and whilst I've never really got into it retrospectively, I've got into a lot of stuff that was very heavily influenced by it.
    The legendary Pistols gig at Manchester's Free Trade Hall in 1976: Ian Curtis (Joy Division), Morrissey (The Smiths), Pete Shelley (Buzzcocks) were just a few future musicians in attendance who were inspired to start bands.

    Had I been a thirteen year old, watching their first TV appearance in 1976 from my living room, my reaction would have been "I'm alive"!
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    On a semi punk theme Idles currently shredding the red button on BBC 4.
    ****ing good eh.

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    Missed this reply. No need to be ashamed about not having read it yet!

    It's pretty rambling in terms of the narrative. He moves between years and even decades and a few people I know who love EC do struggle with the way he tells his story.

    But unsurprisingly it's beautifully written and while he doesn't go into any detail in relation to both his second wife and ex bass player, they are clearly not on his Christmas card list. At all.
    Thanks for that.

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    I've just turned 50 now and must admit that I now quite like some of the stuff that punk railed against, would never have believed that many years ago.
    The Eagles and David Bowie managed to survive the onslaught!

    Let's face it - it's all about shifting product and the Sex Pistols did their bit but ultimately didn't have much talent.

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