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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    The British attitude towards the NHS is farcically sensitive and protective.
    That's because we only have it because a post-war prime minister took a once-in-a-generation chance to not privatise something, and that by some freak accident we STILL have it even though we haven't had a socialist government for forty years.

    Our "sensitive and protective" attitude towards it is the only reason successions of hyper-privatisation-happy governments haven't tried to dismantle it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diclonius View Post
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    That's because we only have it because a post-war prime minister took a once-in-a-generation chance to not privatise something, and that by some freak accident we STILL have it even though we haven't had a socialist government for forty years.

    Our "sensitive and protective" attitude towards it is the only reason successions of hyper-privatisation-happy governments haven't tried to dismantle it.


    Our NHS is probably the greatest social advancement achievement in living memory. As posted previously I'm currently helping my buddy as much as I can who was recently diagnosed with cancer whose only just begun chemotherapy and radiotherapy. The staff at the cancer units have been absolutely brilliant and could not do any more to ensure patients are infinitely well informed and helped through each stage of the process with outstanding care and professionalism.

    Hands off our NHS would be the very strong message to those who might try to dismantle it for either profit or political agendas.

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    Yes I am opposed to it. It needs reformed though as you have crazy situations such as people getting paracetamol on prescription that costs the NHS a fortune, but you can buy it in Tesco for 35p.

    If only the Scottish Government never cut the NHS Scotland budget.

    * Between 2016/17 and 2017/18, the overall health budget increased by 1.5 per cent in cash terms. But taking inflation into account, the budget decreased by 0.2 per cent. (Source: Audit Scotland)

    * ​The overall health budget in 2017/18 was £13.1 billion, a 0.2 per cent decrease in real terms on the previous year. The NHS struggled to break even.

    Three boards required a loan from the Scottish Government and the majority relied on short-term measures to balance their books. NHS boards achieved unprecedented savings of £449.1 million in 2017/18 by relying heavily on one-off savings"

    Audit Scotland report, NHS in Scotland 2018.


    I am sure someone will come along and tell me how it is the fault of:

    A) Westminster
    B) Donald Trump
    C) BBC Question Time
    If only the Scottish government budget hadn't been cut by billions.

    When will those "proud Scots, but", ever learn to stand on their own two feet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    If only the Scottish government budget hadn't been cut by billions.

    When will those "proud Scots, but", ever learn to stand on their own two feet.
    Are you really saying that folk can't be 'proud Scots' in absence of being a separatist nationalist?

    Is it any wonder the vast majority of Scots do not want another very divisive referendum when that type of wholly antagonistic language is casually referenced.

    On the subject of your'e point regarding cuts your'e advocating a Westminster Labour government taking charge as Scottish nationalism would without any doubt whatsoever put the NHS at critical severe risk of being dismantled into a wholly different entity as a separate stand alone Scottish economy at least in the early days descended into free-fall.

    Many highly qualified expert and non expert staff who work within our NHS might not care to live and work in the new formed nationalistic stand alone Scotland as who knows what the consequences might be. There could easily be a hard border with the rest of what was the UK, inflation could be rampant with any new currency worth much less than what our current UK pound is, taxes would increase far beyond any living standards as our government finances were stretched to boiling point in order to shore up the new currency etc etc etc.

    Why take that risk at all?

    Our NHS is far safer within the compounds of the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tornadoes70 View Post
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    Are you really saying that folk can't be 'proud Scots' in absence of being a separatist nationalist?

    Is it any wonder the vast majority of Scots do not want another very divisive referendum when that type of wholly antagonistic language is casually referenced.

    On the subject of your'e point regarding cuts your'e advocating a Westminster Labour government taking charge as Scottish nationalism would without any doubt whatsoever put the NHS at critical severe risk of being dismantled into a wholly different entity as a separate stand alone Scottish economy at least in the early days descended into free-fall.

    Many highly qualified expert and non expert staff who work within our NHS might not care to live and work in the new formed nationalistic stand alone Scotland as who knows what the consequences might be. There could easily be a hard border with the rest of what was the UK, inflation could be rampant with any new currency worth much less than what our current UK pound is, taxes would increase far beyond any living standards as our government finances were stretched to boiling point in order to shore up the new currency etc etc etc.

    Why take that risk at all?

    Our NHS is far safer within the compounds of the UK.
    Are you really pulling people up about antagonistic language when you constantly claim that separatists donít care about Scotland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diclonius View Post
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    That's because we only have it because a post-war prime minister took a once-in-a-generation chance to not privatise something, and that by some freak accident we STILL have it even though we haven't had a socialist government for forty years.

    Our "sensitive and protective" attitude towards it is the only reason successions of hyper-privatisation-happy governments haven't tried to dismantle it.
    It's the reason that it has been and is being packaged up and sold off for the benefit of politicians and businesses (NOT the public) behind our backs, in the absence of a sensible conversation regarding the benefits of privatisation, part-privatisation and remaining nationalised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tornadoes70 View Post
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    Our NHS is probably the greatest social advancement achievement in living memory. As posted previously I'm currently helping my buddy as much as I can who was recently diagnosed with cancer whose only just begun chemotherapy and radiotherapy. The staff at the cancer units have been absolutely brilliant and could not do any more to ensure patients are infinitely well informed and helped through each stage of the process with outstanding care and professionalism.

    Hands off our NHS would be the very strong message to those who might try to dismantle it for either profit or political agendas.
    It may not seem it with some of my posts, but I agree with this 100%.

    There are parts of the NHS that perform phenomenally well. Cancer treatment in this country is very good, and the fact that it exists at such a high level for everyone in our society is something that everyone should be proud of - and this MUST be protected. I became a father for the first time last year and the care at the ERI was first class. The commitment of the people within the hospital, the commitment of some of them to even get to the hospital (it was around the time the "Beast from the East" was here) was incredible, and it is a sort of loyalty you don't get from staff in other jobs/ institutions.

    If I was scraped off the side of a car, I'd want it to be in this country (although response times are getting poorer and my opinion may change in future) as we've all got that fear of the credit card being checked before you're bundled into the back of an ambulance.

    Unfortunately there are some parts that many perceive to be less important and there are areas (departments or geographical locations) that could and should do so much better. I think we should open to considering options in these areas.

    Is it worth having world class cancer care, but having GP's so rushed off their feet that they struggle to adequately diagnose cancer in the early stages, at a stage where the complicated, expensive, world class care could potentially be prevented?

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    If only the Scottish government budget hadn't been cut by billions.

    When will those "proud Scots, but", ever learn to stand on their own two feet.
    Yet,

    The Scottish government will get an extra £959.7m to spend over the next three years as a result of decisions made by Mr Hammond which cut across devolved areas - known as "Barnett consequentials".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46022989

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    Yet,

    The Scottish government will get an extra £959.7m to spend over the next three years as a result of decisions made by Mr Hammond which cut across devolved areas - known as "Barnett consequentials".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46022989
    We're still waiting for the £167 million which was stolen from the Scottish Hill farmers to be returned, so forgive me if I take your lovely , Mr Hammond, with a pinch of salt.

    In other words, don't believe all you read or hear on the bbc. 👍

    If indeed they have stumbled on some cash, it's just returning what they've already withheld.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo7 View Post
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    We're still waiting for the £167 million which was stolen from the Scottish Hill farmers to be returned, so forgive me if I take your lovely , Mr Hammond, with a pinch of salt.

    In other words, don't believe all you read or hear on the bbc. 👍

    If indeed they have stumbled on some cash, it's just returning what they've already withheld.
    So when you said the budget had been cut you were in fact wrong, unless you wish to provide evidence to the contrary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    So when you said the budget had been cut you were in fact wrong, unless you wish to provide evidence to the contrary.
    Google is your friend, I'm not going to bother if you're not.

    A simple search of the Scottish Gov website will tell you that a real terms cut of 3.8% to the Scottish fiscal budget between 2010 and 2019.

    That's the Tories for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    Net immigration to the UK is about 270000.
    And obviously some of they migrants pay a NHS subsidy

    My partners latest visa extension came with an added £500 cost due to the UK Gov now charging Kiwis. Some NHS subsidies are far bigger than this too

    Add onto that what my partner pays in, I think she more than self funded her current NHS use

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