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    Bangkok Hibby
    We had not really given thought to this. Would be good to hear what others think about this.

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    I’ve been contributing, perpetually, £30 a month for 5 years. I think you now how many Franck’s that adds up to HSL Is it feasible that a few bob might see some short term privilege for a one off contributor? I hope you don’t give this any real thought at all.
    Contribute and get your name somewhere on the shirt like the rest.
    Loyalty points were scuppered in part by disenchantment over the HSL bonus points (fact by the way, straight from the horse) and it clearly led to a rift in the support. Best avoid, seriously.


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    Quote Originally Posted by One Day Soon View Post
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    For some reason the way you phrased that immediately made me think of The People's Friend.
    Your choice of reading material seems a bit, well, ‘conservative’ might I say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggy Pope View Post
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    I’ve been contributing, perpetually, £30 a month for 5 years. I think you now how many Franck’s that adds up to HSL Is it feasible that a few bob might see some short term privilege for a one off contributor? I hope you don’t give this any real thought at all.
    Contribute and get your name somewhere on the shirt like the rest.
    Loyalty points were scuppered in part by disenchantment over the HSL bonus points (fact by the way, straight from the horse) and it clearly led to a rift in the support. Best avoid, seriously.


    Same boat as me here....

    Don't know if that's good or bad

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    Imagine your on the underside of the turn up or lost in the seam. A small might lose some names too.

    Why not make it £225 for the back and £450 for the front, sleeves could be £300. A grand for being within an inch of the badge.

    There’s a lot to think about here

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekduval View Post
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    Imagine your on the underside of the turn up or lost in the seam. A small might lose some names too.

    Why not make it £225 for the back and £450 for the front, sleeves could be £300. A grand for being within an inch of the badge.

    There’s a lot to think about here
    I’m over a grand ahead already so that’s a lot to think about. Like many others.
    We’re gonna have to get Mixu or The Tank proportions back to fill this shirt with the monied. Or some **** like Robbo.

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    Same boat as me here....

    Don't know if that's good or bad

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    Thank you so much to everyone for contributing to this debate, as we have said before even if we cannot all agree exactly on every single aspect it still has a positive outcome for us. i.e. we are better informed and in most cases we have a few more Members
    We will be doing more work on this but there are a couple of key points that probably are worth stating just now.
    Our basic Membership Fee of 1875 Francks (£225) gives you only one thing, part ownership of Hibernian Supporters Ltd . You will have a Membership Certificate to prove this and you will be an equal part owner of the entity that now almost owns 20% of the Club. This is the biggest prize of them all. This principle of one Member one vote will never be compromised. No matter what your Francks balance is your voice will be equal to someone with ten times as many Francks.
    Moving forward it has become increasing clear that supporters do like incentives/recognition/prizes. We should not therefore compromise our ability to grow, and therefore generate more money for the Manager, by being too worried about acknowledging different contribution levels. It is likely that in future we will target all incentives to regular contributors. Different Francks balances can be used in this regard.
    If we look round our competitors they happily offer different things for different contribution levels.
    One last word, in relation to the Strip , it is likely that simple practical issues will dictate things. We want to make sure that names are perfectly legible.

    Hope this helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficialHSL View Post
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    Bangkok Hibby
    We had not really given thought to this. Would be good to hear what others think about this.
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    I’d be against it.
    I’m lucky enough that I could comfortably afford it, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable if a fellow supporter couldn’t and ended up with his name slap bang between the a**e cheeks because that’s where elitism pushed him down to.

    Is that a bit too “socialist” for this forum?? Have I just relegated myself to the a**e cheek area??
    But you know it ain't all about wealth,
    as long as you make a note to .. EXPRESS YOURSELF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggy Pope View Post
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    Your choice of reading material seems a bit, well, ‘conservative’ might I say?

    **** me, I don't actually read it. But then how did I know you write for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficialHSL View Post
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    Thank you so much to everyone for contributing to this debate, as we have said before even if we cannot all agree exactly on every single aspect it still has a positive outcome for us. I.e. we are better informed and in most cases we have a few more Members
    We will be doing more work on this but there are a couple of key points that probably are worth stating just now.
    Our basic Membership Fee of 1875 Francks (£225) gives you only one thing, part ownership of Hibernian Supporters Ltd . You will have a Membership Certificate to prove this and you will be an equal part owner of the entity that now almost owns 20% of the Club. This is the biggest prize of them all. This principle of one Member one vote will never be compromised. No matter what your Francks balance is hour voice will be equal to someone with ten times as many Francks.
    Moving forward it has become increasing clear that supporters do like incentives/recognition/prizes. We should not therefore compromise our ability to grow, and therefore generate more money for the Manager, by being too worried about acknowledging different contribution level. It is likely that in future we will target all incentives to regular contributors. Different Francks balances can be used in this regard.
    If we look round our competitors they happily offer different things for different contribution levels.
    One last word, in relation to the Strip , it is likely that simple practical issues will dictate things. We want to make sure that names are perfectly legible.

    Hope this helps

    Hibernian Supporters
    Thanks

    I personally go with the flow on HSL as I've always understood the initial motivation. I had a view on this and expressed it but whatever's actually done won't make any difference to the reason I'm in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggy Pope View Post
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    I’ve been contributing, perpetually, £30 a month for 5 years. I think you now how many Franck’s that adds up to HSL Is it feasible that a few bob might see some short term privilege for a one off contributor? I hope you don’t give this any real thought at all.
    Contribute and get your name somewhere on the shirt like the rest.
    Loyalty points were scuppered in part by disenchantment over the HSL bonus points (fact by the way, straight from the horse) and it clearly led to a rift in the support. Best avoid, seriously.
    Iggy Pope

    Your point is well made. As we were saying on another post we intend to use Francks balance as a subtle means to recognise things. For example, with the final draw of the season ( two signed shirts ) we opened this up free to all with a Francks balance of 1875 but still gave others the opportunity to be included by making a one off single donation. It could be in the future that the required Francks balance is 8000 for a different item. The reality is that the Francks balance is likely to be a result of Members who have been around for a long time rather than a quick large donation. The idea will be to make things interesting but never divisive.

    As previously stated the Strip issue is likely to be driven by design/production capabilities rather than us being able to specify anything. Looking around at other Teams who have done this it looks like names are randomly incorporated into the strip.

    One thing is for sure, it is a really exciting thing for us as supporters.

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    Probably unpopular but perhaps members with the required amount of Francs who signed up and reached 225 quid earliest should be given the most prominent positions on the shirt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficialHSL View Post
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    Iggy Pope

    Your point is well made. As we were saying on another post we intend to use Francks balance as a subtle means to recognise things. For example, with the final draw of the season ( two signed shirts ) we opened this up free to all with a Francks balance of 1875 but still gave others the opportunity to be included by making a one off single donation. It could be in the future that the required Francks balance is 8000 for a different item. The reality is that the Francks balance is likely to be a result of Members who have been around for a long time rather than a quick large donation. The idea will be to make things interesting but never divisive.

    As previously stated the Strip issue is likely to be driven by design/production capabilities rather than us being able to specify anything. Looking around at other Teams who have done this it looks like names are randomly incorporated into the strip.

    One thing is for sure, it is a really exciting thing for us as supporters.

    Hibernian Supporters
    This isn't about prize draws or pot luck. I'm sure you'll do the right thing and won't whore it out (if you'll pardon the vocabulary), causing needle to the folk that have backed HSL to the hilt through their pockets for a long time.
    Great initiative. Don't over egg the cake.

    Hibernian Supporter.

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    I bought 25,000 shares does that count ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by southsider View Post
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    I bought 25,000 shares does that count ?
    not unless you’re an HSL member too.

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    The rich always want to get one up even if it does benefit Hibs in this instance its just their nature.
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    Can you opt out? I know I’m in the minority here but I think having my name on a strip is a bit naff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibee_nation View Post
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    The rich always want to get one up even if it does benefit Hibs in this instance its just their nature.
    So can we invert that and say the poor dont want anyone else to get what they can't because its their nature? Of course not..don't generalise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southsider View Post
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    I bought 25,000 shares does that count ?
    I was in the same boat as yourself. Bought shares (not quite as many as you mind) and love having that wee certificate hanging on my wall. It’s a personal thing but in my mind it’s “proof” I own a very, very small part of the club outwith my usual ST purchases.

    So, after weeks, no months, of prevarication, I have finally taken the plunge and signed up to HSL a few days ago.

    Not ashamed to admit the incentive of having my name on the founders board and the 20/21 3rd strip was the little push I needed to do it. Monthly contribution to start with (and continue) but will make a single payment donation to reach the £225 threshold next month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overdrive View Post
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    Can you opt out? I know I’m in the minority here but I think having my name on a strip is a bit naff.
    I am with you on this one.

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    Well done Hibby 6270

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    Can you opt out? I know I’m in the minority here but I think having my name on a strip is a bit naff.
    We are not considering this at the moment as it will just create more logistical problems. We have always assumed that those who did not have any particular interest in this would just not buy the strip.


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    Quote Originally Posted by overdrive View Post
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    Can you opt out? I know I’m in the minority here but I think having my name on a strip is a bit naff.
    Quite a strange opinion to have tbh. If your name ends up on the strip just don’t buy and most likely no-one else will notice it?

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    I was in the same boat as yourself. Bought shares (not quite as many as you mind) and love having that wee certificate hanging on my wall. It’s a personal thing but in my mind it’s “proof” I own a very, very small part of the club outwith my usual ST purchases.

    So, after weeks, no months, of prevarication, I have finally taken the plunge and signed up to HSL a few days ago.

    Not ashamed to admit the incentive of having my name on the founders board and the 20/21 3rd strip was the little push I needed to do it. Monthly contribution to start with (and continue) but will make a single payment donation to reach the £225 threshold next month.
    Hibby6270

    First of all thank you for joining your fellow Hibernian Supporters.

    We are always looking to acquire as many shares as possible so if you feel you don't need all of those that you have, get in touch.

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    I bought 25,000 shares does that count ?

    Southsider

    Are you looking to re house some of these ?


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    Southsider

    Are you looking to re house some of these ?


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    No, they will be in my will to my family when I pass on. I pay 5 x £5 for family members. As I pay is it i my name or theirs ?

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    No, they will be in my will to my family when I pass on. I pay 5 x £5 for family members. As I pay is it i my name or theirs ?
    Southsider

    if you drop us an email at info@hiberniansupporters.co.uk we can check to see if you have set these up correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OfficialHSL View Post
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    We are not considering this at the moment as it will just create more logistical problems. We have always assumed that those who did not have any particular interest in this would just not buy the strip.


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    I do wonder if this could be a GDPR issue?

    Any GDPR experts who can advise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibee_nation View Post
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    The rich always want to get one up even if it does benefit Hibs in this instance its just their nature.
    That's funny.
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    I do wonder if this could be a GDPR issue?

    Any GDPR experts who can advise?
    I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago on this thread or other similar one when idea was introduced . I`m no expert but can understand fully why people might object to making an anonymous contribution ( not the same as buying shares and being on shareholders list ) to find their name displayed in public albeit mixed with several thousand others on a shirt . Not sure if we sell a 3rd shirt every year ( seem to remember one being sold in one of the years we qualified for Europa League qualifying ) and I`m sure the extra promotion in this case would mean more sales but might be better to offer people the chance to buy a shirt with their name on it and no other names or as a compromise sell a shirt thanking contributors to HSL .

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    I didn't know about the founding members board until i read it on here.I like the idea. Where will it be displayed?

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