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    Quote Originally Posted by mjhibby View Post
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    I've met a few of them and they are so convinced we are all idiots and only brother Jeremy and momentum will sort our woes. I get that most of the under 25s are attracted to socialism but this will never lead to a labour win. Unless labour gets out of the clutches of momentum and gets an electable leader then every election they will build their hopes up only to be cruelly beaten again. It's the hope that kills you but that isn't a realistic hope. Not on any measure you care to look at.
    And we've been saying that since he became leader.

    The fact that he only lost to the most incompetent Tory leader I can remember, and didn't get anhialated, gave him some respite from some of the voices of disapproval, but that he still lags behind in the polls surely must tell all but the truest of believers, that he's never going to win an election.

    It's easy to slag off people because they "would prefer a no deal Brexit to a Corbyn government", but if that's the case, the problem is Labour's.

    It's all very well blaming the media for portraying Corbyn as a bogeyman, but everyone knew that would happen, and the new wing of the Labour Party chose to elect him anyway.

    Unless Corbyn is replaced by someone more palatable to the electorate, we could be in for a decade of Boris Johnson government.

    As I typed that, I started wondering why a supposedly serious political party needs to be told to find an electable leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    And we've been saying that since he became leader.

    The fact that he only lost to the most incompetent Tory leader I can remember, and didn't get anhialated, gave him some respite from some of the voices of disapproval, but that he still lags behind in the polls surely must tell all but the truest of believers, that he's never going to win an election.

    It's easy to slag off people because they "would prefer a no deal Brexit to a Corbyn government", but if that's the case, the problem is Labour's.

    It's all very well blaming the media for portraying Corbyn as a bogeyman, but everyone knew that would happen, and the new wing of the Labour Party chose to elect him anyway.

    Unless Corbyn is replaced by someone more palatable to the electorate, we could be in for a decade of Boris Johnson government.

    As I typed that, I started wondering why a supposedly serious political party needs to be told to find an electable leader.
    Many think that because of his previous opposition to the EU , failure to campaign for remain and subsequent equivocation on Brexit, Corbyn has been complicit in bringing about the current state of affairs.
    That is Corbyn as a front for Milne, McLuskey et al.

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    I'm not scared of Corbyn. I voted for Labour at the last GE.

    I'm just realistic, he's not got the qualities required to win an election. He has been faced with a divided Tory party who have stumbled from disaster to disaster for almost exactly 4 years and how often has he been ahead in the polls? His failure to compromise, to offer concessions to unite his party and his failure to firstly campaign effectively for remain and secondly to take a strong position post referendum have shown his inability to lead.

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    I can believe that. Boris is going to crash us out call and election and rid himself of the DUP so he can stick a border in the Irish Sea then negotiate a trade deal.
    This is the most obvious solution and the only folk who'd complain are the unionists in NI ( and Scotland!) and possibly the RoI, but cutting loose NI doesn't automatically have to mean a united Ireland I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjhibby View Post
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    I've met a few of them and they are so convinced we are all idiots and only brother Jeremy and momentum will sort our woes. I get that most of the under 25s are attracted to socialism but this will never lead to a labour win. Unless labour gets out of the clutches of momentum and gets an electable leader then every election they will build their hopes up only to be cruelly beaten again. It's the hope that kills you but that isn't a realistic hope. Not on any measure you care to look at.

    If you are saying that we are only likely to get a centrist politician as the PM, how did we get Mrs Thatcher and the present incumbent? Mrs Thatcher was far from the most right wing member of her parliamentary party and her cabinet often contained some really dangerous people, but she swept to power almost unopposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY View Post
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    If you are saying that we are only likely to get a centrist politician as the PM, how did we get Mrs Thatcher and the present incumbent? Mrs Thatcher was far from the most right wing member of her parliamentary party and her cabinet often contained some really dangerous people, but she swept to power almost unopposed.
    When was the last left wing Labour PM?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    When was the last left wing Labour PM?


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    Harold Wilson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY View Post
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    Harold Wilson.
    So itís pretty clear that the country is no longer keen on the idea of a left wing govt. And it would take some salesman to change that. Is Corbyn that salesman?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY View Post
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    If you are saying that we are only likely to get a centrist politician as the PM, how did we get Mrs Thatcher and the present incumbent? Mrs Thatcher was far from the most right wing member of her parliamentary party and her cabinet often contained some really dangerous people, but she swept to power almost unopposed.
    Yup.

    You only hear "unelectable" when discussing Labour politicians that dare to be ever-so-left-of-centre. Suggest that we renationalize any of the public services that were sold off under Thatcher and you're a communist overnight.

    If you're a Tory you can be as far to the right as you want and the media don't give a ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diclonius View Post
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    Yup.

    You only hear "unelectable" when discussing Labour politicians that dare to be ever-so-left-of-centre. Suggest that we renationalize any of the public services that were sold off under Thatcher and you're a communist overnight.

    If you're a Tory you can be as far to the right as you want and the media don't give a ****.
    You have just accurately described the country in which we live. It certainly applies to the UK. Whether Corbyn would be more "electable" in an independent Scotland is a moot point.

    But the fact remains, the electorate won't stomach a Labour leader outside the centre left. Why Labour wants to continue proving that fact is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    You have just accurately described the country in which we live. It certainly applies to the UK. Whether Corbyn would be more "electable" in an independent Scotland is a moot point.

    But the fact remains, the electorate won't stomach a Labour leader outside the centre left. Why Labour wants to continue proving that fact is beyond me.
    I donít think Scotland would be anymore receptive to a hard left leader than England.


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    As much as I think he is a careerist Thomas Tank Labour need someone like Chuka Umunna leading them if they want a majority, they need someone that soft/centre Tory voters would vote for and that isn't Corbyn.

    Edit: I know he's Lib Dem now before anyone gets smart

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    Quote Originally Posted by CloudSquall View Post
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    As much as I think he is a careerist Thomas Tank Labour need someone like Chuka Umunna leading them if they want a majority, they need someone that soft/centre Tory voters would vote for and that isn't Corbyn.

    Edit: I know he's Lib Dem now before anyone gets smart
    The funny thing is, the Labour Party is not without talented people. Itís just that the hard left have taken over.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    The funny thing is, the Labour Party is not without talented people. Itís just that the hard left have taken over.


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    This is the case.

    Most of the talent is on the back benches

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    Quote Originally Posted by CloudSquall View Post
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    Edit: I know he's Lib Dem now before anyone gets smart
    So are a lot of Labour supporters!!

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    Strong rumours that the next general election is on its way..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    Strong rumours that the next general election is on its way..............
    Saw that if the parliament discussed no deal tomorrow General election called on Wednesday.
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    Strong rumours that the next general election is on its way..............
    Looks like it, opposition and rebel Tories look to have the numbers they need in the vote tomorrow, Boris would surely then call an election and campaign on a no deal Brexit / wait for EU to blink strategy.

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    Looks like it, opposition and rebel Tories look to have the numbers they need in the vote tomorrow, Boris would surely then call an election and campaign on a no deal Brexit / wait for EU to blink strategy.
    He can't just call an election. He needs a 2/3 majority because of the Fixed Term Parliament Act.

    Suggestions from the opposition parties that they will only vote for one after a Brexit extension has been secured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    The funny thing is, the Labour Party is not without talented people. Itís just that the hard left have taken over.


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    More Left. We arenít talking Communism here. You have fallen into the trap. Guaranteeing no sell of of the NHS, renationalising the Railways and operators and getting the richest to chip in a wee bit more does not make you ďfar leftĒ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    He can't just call an election. He needs a 2/3 majority because of the Fixed Term Parliament Act.

    Suggestions from the opposition parties that they will only vote for one after a Brexit extension has been secured.
    That would be brilliant, and I have to agree with Tony Blair. Let the ****er stew!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bristolhibby View Post
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    More Left. We aren’t talking Communism here. You have fallen into the trap. Guaranteeing no sell of of the NHS, renationalising the Railways and operators and getting the richest to chip in a wee bit more does not make you “far left”.

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    That policy being discussed earlier regarding a policy enabling tenants to buy their property from their landlord is pretty "hard left" whichever way you look at it.

    I agree that the ideas of Corbyn's already out in the open are pretty mild and tbh common sense.

    There are far more ridiculous and frankly worrying ideas bubbling below the surface.

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