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    Quote Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875 View Post
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    Sadly that sentiment is only gonna get worse. I fear the coming months.
    Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, vodka in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming, "WOO HOO what a ride!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875 View Post
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    "Authors for Brexit" - too busy writing, not enough reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875 View Post
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    Couldn't agree more.

    We should let the English voters have and vote in Indyref2!!!
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    Why is it likely to be overturned?
    It's not certain to be overturned but the High Court were pretty clear in dismissing the Gina Miller case last week by stating that this was not a matter for the courts, so the Supreme Court will take that into consideration along with the fact the the Court of Session in Scotland initially dismissed the parliamentarians' case before their successful appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G B Young View Post
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    It's not certain to be overturned but the High Court were pretty clear in dismissing the Gina Miller case last week by stating that this was not a matter for the courts, so the Supreme Court will take that into consideration along with the fact the the Court of Session in Scotland initially dismissed the parliamentarians' case before their successful appeal.
    Yes, but the decision made in Edinburgh yesterday was by an appeal court and outranks the decision made by the English High Court. Also the fact the appeals court decision was unanimous by the 3 judges is significant.

    I think next week's verdict is in the balance. Could go either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes View Post
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    Yes, but the decision made in Edinburgh yesterday was by an appeal court and outranks the decision made by the English High Court. Also the fact the appeals court decision was unanimous by the 3 judges is significant.

    I think next week's verdict is in the balance. Could go either way.
    I agree. I was just pointing out that there are a lot of conflicting views for them to weigh up, although yesterday's appeal decision undoubtedly gives them a lot more to think about. By rejecting the Government's appeal they would be opening up a new political chapter whereby any controversial government decision is likely be challenged in the courts so that may weigh on their minds. On that basis my instinct is that they'll overturn yesterday's decision but I really have no idea how it will play out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    They are actively trying to make this happen to us. Its just incredible.
    People want it to happen onto themselves...
    Mon the Hibs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    His some-people-but-not-me comments about the judiciary were an absolute disgrace.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49669266

    I only saw this brief snippet of it, and I'll admit that I was looking to be enraged but I don't have much of a problem with what he says.

    He doesn't call into question the integrity of the judges himself but he says that many people up and down the country ARE questioning them, which is true.

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49669266

    I only saw this brief snippet of it, and I'll admit that I was looking to be enraged but I don't have much of a problem with what he says.

    He doesn't call into question the integrity of the judges himself but he says that many people up and down the country ARE questioning them, which is true.
    It's the classic way of saying something (judges are interfering in politics for biased reasons) while weaseling out of taking responsibility for saying it. Trump does it all the time.

    Edit: eg.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...1826549030912?
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    A bit of financial advice in the event of deal or no deal from Martin Lewis

    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/fa...means-for-you/
    #Persevered
    Scotland can be a beacon, within these islands and beyond, for a socially just and sustainable society. Whilst there are many priorities which will require independence, there is also much that can and must be done now by the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875 View Post
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    These people say we must leave the EU so 'not to be ruled by foreign courts', but are outraged when UK courts make a ruling. No doubt The Daily Mail has called the judges 'enemies of the people'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
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    These people say we must leave the EU so 'not to be ruled by foreign courts', but are outraged when UK courts make a ruling. No doubt The Daily Mail has called the judges 'enemies of the people'.
    I rarely look at the Scotsman nowadays, but

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinio...ment-1-5002607
    #Persevered
    Scotland can be a beacon, within these islands and beyond, for a socially just and sustainable society. Whilst there are many priorities which will require independence, there is also much that can and must be done now by the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.

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    Now the High Court in Belfast muddies the waters further by dismissing a No Deal legal challenge:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49676133

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    I rarely look at the Scotsman nowadays, but

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinio...ment-1-5002607
    Barely anyone looks at the Scotsman these days. Sales are negligible and it's run by a skeleton staff out of a single floor office at Orchard Brae. Sad times for a once influential Scottish institution.

    Having come out strongly in favour of the Union in 2014 it's now attempting to hitch itself to the independence cause in the hope it can pick up a few readers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G B Young View Post
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    Barely anyone looks at the Scotsman these days. Sales are negligible and it's run by a skeleton staff out of a single floor office at Orchard Brae. Sad times for a once influential Scottish institution.

    Having come out strongly in favour of the Union in 2014 it's now attempting to hitch itself to the independence cause in the hope it can pick up a few readers.
    I'll have to take a look at it, always seen it as right leaning in its editorial content.
    #Persevered
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    It's the classic way of saying something (judges are interfering in politics for biased reasons) while weaseling out of taking responsibility for saying it. Trump does it all the time.

    Edit: eg.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...1826549030912?
    Was going to mention Trump.

    Its a way of saying something and getting the message out to your audience without saying it.

    J

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    Who'd have thought that the best way to run a country was simply to ignore the law.

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    Take a look at ⚫ Ross M, QC. #FBPE #RevokeA50 (@LeaveNowRemain): https://twitter.com/LeaveNowRemain?s=09


    I apologise profusely to everyone for voting leave in 2016.

    I did not sign up for this ****.

    And I want #Brexit to stop now.

    #RevokeA50Now @BorisJohnson.

    #Yellowhammer is an astounding, critical & deeply concerning read.

    Why put the UK through this?

    Glad I'm @RemainerNow
    #Persevered
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    Twitter is hilarious with all the expert opinions

    Some hot legal takes from the Brexit supporters group https://t.co/NvEMCzhPP4
    #Persevered
    Scotland can be a beacon, within these islands and beyond, for a socially just and sustainable society. Whilst there are many priorities which will require independence, there is also much that can and must be done now by the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government.

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    Twitter is hilarious with all the expert opinions

    Some hot legal takes from the Brexit supporters group https://t.co/NvEMCzhPP4


    That's the thing about all the "federal solution" chat as a long term constitutional future for Scotland in the UK. It sounds good in theory, but if Scotland had anything remotely approaching the normal powers of a federal state the English nationalist toys would come out the pram big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    It's the classic way of saying something (judges are interfering in politics for biased reasons) while weaseling out of taking responsibility for saying it. Trump does it all the time.

    Edit: eg.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...1826549030912?
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    Was going to mention Trump.

    Its a way of saying something and getting the message out to your audience without saying it.

    J
    I do hear exactly what you are both saying, but my interpretation upon seeing the clip is that he is being genuine. Trump is disingenuous by nature and he does this sort of thing a lot.

    Whilst we're talking about calling professional integrity into doubt, should we not be prepared to give an elected politician the benefit of the doubt, especially when what he is saying is true? He is quite emphatic that this is not the point he is making but it would be wrong in that context not to point out that people (especially across England) are calling into question the integrity of the judges?

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    I do hear exactly what you are both saying, but my interpretation upon seeing the clip is that he is being genuine. Trump is disingenuous by nature and he does this sort of thing a lot.

    Whilst we're talking about calling professional integrity into doubt, should we not be prepared to give an elected politician the benefit of the doubt, especially when what he is saying is true? He is quite emphatic that this is not the point he is making but it would be wrong in that context not to point out that people (especially across England) are calling into question the integrity of the judges?
    I expect you are being the Devil's Avocado ... but, nah. I saw the clip live and my impression was that he was being a weaselly *****bag.

    Cummings is leafing his way through the Trump playbook and any Tory minister agreeing to do tv at the moment is clearly under its instruction.

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    It's not certain to be overturned but the High Court were pretty clear in dismissing the Gina Miller case last week by stating that this was not a matter for the courts, so the Supreme Court will take that into consideration along with the fact the the Court of Session in Scotland initially dismissed the parliamentarians' case before their successful appeal.
    I read somewhere that the Supreme court can hear an appeal of a decision by the court of session, but the appeal has be considered on the basis of Scottish law? And the fact the 'lie' was told in Scotland also weighs heavily on the basis of the appeal?

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    I read somewhere that the Supreme court can hear an appeal of a decision by the court of session, but the appeal has be considered on the basis of Scottish law? And the fact the 'lie' was told in Scotland also weighs heavily on the basis of the appeal?


    Aiui the Supreme Court is sitting as a Scottish Court when it hears an appeal from the CoS.

    Mind you, on Tuesday they're supposed to be considering the English and Scottish cases (and possibly the NI one as well) so not sure how that works?

    The fact that the lie was told in Scotland shouldn't matter though. The Westminster parliament is the Union parliament (no laughing at the back) so it is theoretically subject to both Scots and English law.

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    I do hear exactly what you are both saying, but my interpretation upon seeing the clip is that he is being genuine.
    Seriously.

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    Weve always asked, would England be happy to stay in the union if the UKs Parliament was in Scotland and we called the shots?
    One court decision is all it took to show how they really see the union.

    The original tweet


    https://twitter.com/proindygers/stat...814273536?s=19
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    Just seen a cracker on HIGNFY .

    Operation Yellowhammer is an anagram of Orwell Mayhem.

    (If you want a vision of the future....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
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    These people say we must leave the EU so 'not to be ruled by foreign courts', but are outraged when UK courts make a ruling. No doubt The Daily Mail has called the judges 'enemies of the people'.
    Not quite but they have a story on how one likes jazz, one is a francophile and the other ruled in favour of Europe once.



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    Quote Originally Posted by degenerated View Post
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    Not quite but they have a story on how one likes jazz, one is a francophile and the other ruled in favour of Europe once.



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    What do they expect? *jazz hands *
    #Persevered
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    Twitter is hilarious with all the expert opinions

    Some hot legal takes from the Brexit supporters group https://t.co/NvEMCzhPP4

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