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    Boris Johnson cements the Union

    We're all British. We're all equal under one flag. Really?

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...ding/?ref=ebln


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    We're all British. We're all equal under one flag. Really?

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...ding/?ref=ebln
    This the same guy that said a pound spent in London was much better than one spent in Scotland. Does his equal comment also include people from Liverpool?

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    To be fair, there probably is a conversation to be had about Barnett and the distribution of spending in the UK generally. That isn't to say Johnson is correct or there's anything of substance in his usual hyperbole.

    What should be more alarming for people about that article are the closing paragraphs; if Johnson is willing to mislead his own parliamentary colleagues within his party, who else is he willing to mislead?

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    id rather see Boris in charge than Corbyn , Sturgeon or Gove thats for sure .

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    What should be more alarming for people about that article are the closing paragraphs; if Johnson is willing to mislead his own parliamentary colleagues within his party, who else is he willing to mislead?
    Hardly think that the joker who gave us the £350m Bus is going to worry that he might get a reputation for misleading people! The rest of us - we already know he tells lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by makaveli1875 View Post
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    id rather see Boris in charge than Corbyn , Sturgeon or Gove thats for sure .
    Where are you based?

    That's not a totally unreasonable position for someone outside Scotland to take.

    It's an insane position for any Scottish resident to hold.

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    Where are you based?

    That's not a totally unreasonable position for someone outside Scotland to take.

    It's an insane position for any Scottish resident to hold.
    Born and raised in Midlothian

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    Scotland's best chance for independence is under PM Johnson. If we are given one and still vote No, then you can shelve it for a good 20-30 years until the demographic has naturally shifted toward Yes because it ain't happening.

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    Scotland's best chance for independence is under PM Johnson. If we are given one and still vote No, then you can shelve it for a good 20-30 years until the demographic has naturally shifted toward Yes because it ain't happening.
    Is it not proven the older you get the more 'conservative' you get. Remember a lot of younger people don't have mortgages, pensions or savings so are more likely to take that gamble. But as they get older they start to question these things more and consider what the impact would be on them and their families.

    To be honest if Yes never got a boost from the shambles of the last few years then I don't know what would do it. The best thing for the SNP now would be Boris and a hard Brexit, that could be enough to get that 10% required. You should be out campaigning for Boris and the Brexit party ☺

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    Is it not proven the older you get the more 'conservative' you get. Remember a lot of younger people don't have mortgages, pensions or savings so are more likely to take that gamble. But as they get older they start to question these things more and consider what the impact would be on them and their families.

    To be honest if Yes never got a boost from the shambles of the last few years then I don't know what would do it. The best thing for the SNP now would be Boris and a hard Brexit, that could be enough to get that 10% required. You should be out campaigning for Boris and the Brexit party
    That may have been true previously but for the last 10 years the young have been shut out the mortgage market. As they get older they are going to be well p’ed off about that as they realise they have no equity in property the way other generations had. And without that stake they are not going to move conservative as easily as before.


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    That may have been true previously but for the last 10 years the young have been shut out the mortgage market. As they get older they are going to be well p’ed off about that as they realise they have no equity in property the way other generations had. And without that stake they are not going to move conservative as easily as before.


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    Well good to see the SNP helping them get on the property ladder with a very tory like policy.

    https://www.snp.org/how-the-snp-plan...t-time-buyers/

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    Is it not proven the older you get the more 'conservative' you get. Remember a lot of younger people don't have mortgages, pensions or savings so are more likely to take that gamble. But as they get older they start to question these things more and consider what the impact would be on them and their families.

    To be honest if Yes never got a boost from the shambles of the last few years then I don't know what would do it. The best thing for the SNP now would be Boris and a hard Brexit, that could be enough to get that 10% required. You should be out campaigning for Boris and the Brexit party ☺
    Implying that in 20/30 years time most people who are younger now will actually have mortgages, pensions or savings. The recession will see to it that a lifetime of renting and day-to-day living becomes the norm for the majority of us. I can't see us becoming more right wing if pragmatism and hard work gets you nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by makaveli1875 View Post
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    id rather see Boris in charge than Corbyn , Sturgeon or Gove thats for sure .
    In what way is he preferable to anyone?

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    Implying that in 20/30 years time most people who are younger now will actually have mortgages, pensions or savings. The recession will see to it that a lifetime of renting and day-to-day living becomes the norm for the majority of us. I can't see us becoming more right wing if pragmatism and hard work gets you nowhere.
    Most will have a pension. Anyone working anyway.
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    Boris Johnson cements the Union

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    Well good to see the SNP helping them get on the property ladder with a very tory like policy.

    https://www.snp.org/how-the-snp-plan...t-time-buyers/
    That’s a dumb policy which does nothing to help affordability and inflates prices and funnels money into share price of house builders.

    There are lots of things the SNP can do help house prices like freeing up the planning system and encouraging people to build more but there are other factors totally outside their control like the govt policy of limiting the banks lending practises. Young people need 100% mortgages to help them get started.


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    In what way is he preferable to anyone?
    Boris actually has a personality, he has cracking hair and his old boy is a laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by makaveli1875 View Post
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    Boris actually has a personality, he has cracking hair and his old boy is a laugh
    Donald Trump has a personality... and cracking fake hair

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    Quote Originally Posted by makaveli1875 View Post
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    Boris actually has a personality, he has cracking hair and his old boy is a laugh
    Oh you! Knock it off!


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    He's a ****. A 100% bona fide ****.

    He may well have a personality. A horrific one.

    To reiterate: Boris Johnson is a ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    He's a ****. A 100% bona fide ****.

    He may well have a personality. A horrific one.

    To reiterate: Boris Johnson is a ****.
    A thoroughly nice bloke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    Most will have a pension. Anyone working anyway.
    Will they? I'm already putting money into an Isa to undercut when my industry (academia) inevitably does away with pensions altogether.

    And okay, let's assume we keep our pensions: what else is there for the majority of my generation to hold on to to turn them right wing? There's no assets left to strip and the majority of us will live in a permanently precarious financial situation.

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    Will they? I'm already putting money into an Isa to undercut when my industry (academia) inevitably does away with pensions altogether.

    And okay, let's assume we keep our pensions: what else is there for the majority of my generation to hold on to to turn them right wing? There's no assets left to strip and the majority of us will live in a permanently precarious financial situation.
    Auto enrolment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    That’s a dumb policy which does nothing to help affordability and inflates prices and funnels money into share price of house builders.

    There are lots of things the SNP can do help house prices like freeing up the planning system and encouraging people to build more but there are other factors totally outside their control like the govt policy of limiting the banks lending practises. Young people need 100% mortgages to help them get started.


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    Quote Originally Posted by makaveli1875 View Post
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    Boris actually has a personality, he has cracking hair and his old boy is a laugh
    Swung it for me....The 3 key elements i look for in a leader :-)

    Everyone’s got a personality...It’s the behaviors i’m more concerned with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    He's a ****. A 100% bona fide ****.

    He may well have a personality. A horrific one.

    To reiterate: Boris Johnson is a ****.
    Damn that swear filter...
    Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, vodka in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming, "WOO HOO what a ride!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    He's a ****. A 100% bona fide ****.

    He may well have a personality. A horrific one.

    To reiterate: Boris Johnson is a ****.
    Didn't really want to nit-pick an otherwise flawless and eloquent post, but object strongly to your use of the phrase bona fide. BoJo isn't bona fide anything. He's the absolute antithesis of bona fide. An unprincipled, opportunistic chancer, and the fact that he's apparently the darling of the ageing Tory membership makes me seriously wonder whether Fife-Hibee might be on to something with his 'everyone over the age of 40 has already lost most of their marbles'.

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    If it causes Celtic wailing, then I'm willing to go there and make the case that it's right for them too.”
    Bet he doesn't.

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    You will have to remind me but did that not work really well in 2008?
    The problem in 2008 wasn't so much risky debt as repackaging that risky debt and obfuscating the risk to the point where people who should have known better convinced themselves it wasn't there.

    Anyway, if we sorted the planning system and helped the supply side, there wouldn't be quite the same need for risky financing.

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    The French have a system (Schéma de cohérence territoriale) where town councils are given a development programme that they are obliged to stick to within a given timescale. This is decided on a scale probably similar to our former districts (East Lothian, Midlothian, etc.). For example, the town where I live have until 2030 to develop 20 hectares of land with a density of IIRC 23 houses per hectare. There are also guidelines to develop and increase density in town centres, in an effort to keep town centres alive as well as reducing the need for people to travel. In each development a certain %age of the houses have to be accessible to 1st time buyers (ordinarily about 20%). These will often be carried out by Housing Associations (there's not really any Council Housing to speak of here).

    Additionally, and it's obviously currently less effective than it was, there's a state aided system of interest free mortgages. These are means tested - the less you earn the more you'll get, with a maximum of something like 70k€.

    The equivalent of Wimpey, Barratt, etc. estates are extremely rare here. Land to be developed will usually be divided and sold as serviced plots, and buyers then put their own houses on them. Some people will go down the architect route (which is generally the most expensive), or there are companies that specialise in building individual houses. You can even choose from a catalogue, for example

    https://blmcentrebretagne.fr/maisons-traditionnelles

    In 2008 we bought a bit of land and built a 4 bedroomed house with garage for the princely sum of 130k€, about £100k at the time, of which 30k€ we borrowed interest free. Totally impossible in the UK.

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