Official Site: KANE O’CONNOR TO JOIN BRENTFORD

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[JimBHibees]

"We retain an interest in Kane’s football future".

Assuming that means a sell on fee of some sort.

[The_Horde]

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"We retain an interest in Kane’s football future".

Assuming that means a sell on fee of some sort.

Probably agreed to one instead of a dev fee?

[bingo70]

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"We retain an interest in Kane’s football future".

Assuming that means a sell on fee of some sort.

He’s out of contract so i don’t think we can add in a clause like that.

Think it’s probably a genuine comment from someone that will know him on a personal level.

[The 90+2]

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He’s out of contract so i don’t think we can add in a clause like that.

Think it’s probably a genuine comment from someone that will know him on a personal level.

Hearts done it when Patterson went to Cardiff. As did we with John McGinn.

[CapitalGreen]

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He’s out of contract so i don’t think we can add in a clause like that.

Think it’s probably a genuine comment from someone that will know him on a personal level.

We can if we are forgoing any other sort of fee we may be due.

[HoboHarry]

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Hearts done it when Patterson went to Cardiff. As did we with John McGinn.

I thought I had read somewhere that the club (us in this case) has to offer a new contract and the player decline and move on to be able to claim a development fee?

[JimBHibees]

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He’s out of contract so i don’t think we can add in a clause like that.

Think it’s probably a genuine comment from someone that will know him on a personal level.

Probably depends when the agreement was reached possibly other clubs interested and agreement reached prior to contract running out with Kane.

[B.H.F.C]

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He’s out of contract so i don’t think we can add in a clause like that.

Think it’s probably a genuine comment from someone that will know him on a personal level.

Similar to us signing McGinn. Out of contract but we were due a development fee to St Mirren

[The 90+2]

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I thought I had read somewhere that the club (us in this case) has to offer a new contract and the player decline and move on to be able to claim a development fee?

Like above it could have been that he’s agreed to join Brentford and we’ve offered to match his current wage to get a fee in the future. I can’t imagine it will be that much regardless.

[bingo70]

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Similar to us signing McGinn. Out of contract but we were due a development fee to St Mirren

We need to offer him a contract to be due a development fee and everything said so far suggests we didn’t do that.

[My_Wife_Camille]

Happy to be proved wrong but I think people are getting confused between development fee's and solidarity payments.

We didn't offer Kane a new contract so we are not entitled to a development fee but we could be due a solidarity payment(s) further down the line.

[bingo70]

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Happy to be proved wrong but I think people are getting confused between development fee's and solidarity payments.

We didn't offer Kane a new contract so we are not entitled to a development fee but we could be due a solidarity payment(s) further down the line.

Every chance you’re right, what’s a solidarity payment?

Is that the token payment boys clubs get some times when a player they developed is signed? Sure I remember hearing Edina Hibs getting a windfall from Christoph Berra at one point.

[My_Wife_Camille]

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Every chance you’re right, what’s a solidarity payment?

Is that the token payment boys clubs get some times when a player they developed is signed? Sure I remember hearing Edina Hibs getting a windfall from Christoph Berra at one point.

Pretty much. It's a general term for the percentage of various fees that get's shared around a players previous club. I remember Falkirk made about £90 from Leigh Griffiths playing in the Champions League for Celtic one year

[The 90+2]

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Pretty much. It's a general term for the percentage of various fees that get's shared around a players previous club. I remember Falkirk made about £90 from Leigh Griffiths playing in the Champions League for Celtic one year

Covered Tom Taiwos signing on fee to be fair.

[CapitalGreen]

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Happy to be proved wrong but I think people are getting confused between development fee's and solidarity payments.

We didn't offer Kane a new contract so we are not entitled to a development fee but we could be due a solidarity payment(s) further down the line.

We didn't even offer Kane a renewal on his current terms which we knew would be rejected but would have guaranteed a development fee? Seems like an oversight if true.

[MyJo]

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We didn't even offer Kane a renewal on his current terms which we knew would be rejected but would have guaranteed a development fee? Seems like an oversight if true.

Or could be us just having enough respect for the boy and dignity as a club to not play silly games like that when we have already decided that he is surplus to requirements.

Slapping a contract down in front of him simply to force his next club into forking out a development fee for him would probably put plenty of clubs off and limit his options.

Alternatively, he accepts that contract and we have a player that we have no intention of playing and have already decided won't be pushing for the first team taking a space and wage that could be given to another player with more development potential or ability to break into the first team.

Sometimes money shouldn't be the be all and end all of things.

[Alex Trager]

This is an odd one. I thought he was well rated?

Obviously not I suppose. I recognise his name which is unusual because I don’t watch the youths so would only know his name if there are people talking about him.
Which generally only happens due to good performances.

[CapitalGreen]

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Or could be us just having enough respect for the boy and dignity as a club to not play silly games like that when we have already decided that he is surplus to requirements.

Slapping a contract down in front of him simply to force his next club into forking out a development fee for him would probably put plenty of clubs off and limit his options.

Alternatively, he accepts that contract and we have a player that we have no intention of playing and have already decided won't be pushing for the first team taking a space and wage that could be given to another player with more development potential or ability to break into the first team.

Sometimes money shouldn't be the be all and end all of things.

I'm not sure how being suitably recompensed for developing a player from a young age is considered "silly games". Brentford (a team of greater means than us) obviously want the player, I don't think it is inappropriate to want compensated to some degree for the time and money we have put into developing him.

[My_Wife_Camille]

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We didn't even offer Kane a renewal on his current terms which we knew would be rejected but would have guaranteed a development fee? Seems like an oversight if true.

That's the whole point of needing to offer a contract on equal or better terms to get the fee. What if we had offered him a contract on the understanding that he was leaving but he had a change of heart, decided to stay and we end up keeping and paying for a player we don't even want. That would be an even bigger oversight.

[CapitalGreen]

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That's the whole point of needing to offer a contract on equal or better terms to get the fee. What if we had offered him a contract on the understanding that he was leaving but he had a change of heart, decided to stay and we end up keeping and paying for a player we don't even want. That would be an even bigger oversight.

Based on the wage youth players get for their first professional contracts at Hibs that would be extremely surprising and a not very large expense.

[My_Wife_Camille]

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Based on the wage youth players get for their first professional contracts at Hibs that would be extremely surprising and a not very large expense.

I personally don’t find it surprising at all that we didn’t offer a contract to a player we don’t want but I suppose we all see the game differently.

[CapitalGreen]

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I personally don’t find it surprising at all that we didn’t offer a contract to a player we don’t want but I suppose we all see the game differently.

Unless I have missed it there has not been any confirmation we didn't.

[My_Wife_Camille]

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Unless I have missed it there has not been any confirmation we didn't.

No, I think you're correct that the club haven't confirmed it publicly.

[Billy Whizz]

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No, I think you're correct that the club haven't confirmed it publicly.

From Hibs official site”
“Kane O’Connor has been allowed to move on after the expiry of his contract, having been unable to force his way into contention for a regular place in the Development team”

[JimBHibees]

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No, I think you're correct that the club haven't confirmed it publicly.

These lines seem to suggest we didnt:

“There is a clear pathway for our Academy players to the first team but it is a fact of life in football that, along the way, some difficult decisions need to be made and we thought it was best for Kane to pursue options elsewhere.

“With that in mind, we allowed Kane to accept offers to train with a handful of clubs in recent weeks to accelerate the process of finding a new club. We are happy that has led to a successful outcome for Kane, at a club who are renowned for doing things the right way and who were a pleasure to deal with.

[My_Wife_Camille]

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These lines seem to suggest we didnt:

“There is a clear pathway for our Academy players to the first team but it is a fact of life in football that, along the way, some difficult decisions need to be made and we thought it was best for Kane to pursue options elsewhere.

“With that in mind, we allowed Kane to accept offers to train with a handful of clubs in recent weeks to accelerate the process of finding a new club. We are happy that has led to a successful outcome for Kane, at a club who are renowned for doing things the right way and who were a pleasure to deal with.

I'd agree with you on that but CapitalGreen wants confirmation and a suggestion isn't a confirmation.

[CapitalGreen]

Interesting that Brentford Offical website is reporting that they have paid an undisclosed fee.

"Brentford B have completed the signing of Kane O'Connor from Scottish Premiership side Hibernian for an undisclosed fee, subject to international clearance."

https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/201...oconnor-signs/

[JimBHibees]

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I'd agree with you on that but CapitalGreen wants confirmation and a suggestion isn't a confirmation.

As good a confirmation as you are going to get.

[My_Wife_Camille]

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As good a confirmation as you are going to get.

It's not me that needs it