Steve Clarke

[we are hibs]

What an incredible job hes done at Killie and some post match speech on the park.

[Greencore]

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What an incredible job hes done at Killie and some post match speech on the park.

What did he say?

[Since452]

Better achievement than a Celtic treble. Unbelievable really.

[Hibbyradge]

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Better achievement than a Celtic treble. Unbelievable really.

If getting third in the league, and by goal difference, is better than winning a treble, then my concept of football has been wrong all my life.

Has anyone told Chelsea, yet?

[neil7908]

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If getting third in the league, and by goal difference, is better than winning a treble, then my concept of football has been wrong all my life.

Has anyone told Chelsea, yet?

With the resources available I don't think it's far off comparing his achievements to Celtic.

[Oranje39]

I did enjoy the bye bye Rangers and bye bye Celtic comment. Some job he's done.

[Tarrahib]

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If getting third in the league, and by goal difference, is better than winning a treble, then my concept of football has been wrong all my life.

Has anyone told Chelsea, yet?

How do you work out it was goal difference that got them third?

[Hibbyradge]

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With the resources available I don't think it's far off comparing his achievements to Celtic.

Kille's pitch got them third.

Their defence knew how to play on it.

Both Hibs and Aberdeen scored more goals and both won more away games.

It's a great season for them, no doubt, but I think the plaudits are on the excessive side.

[Hibbyradge]

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How do you work out it was goal difference that got them third?

Because they have the same points as Aberdeen.

It certainly wasn't alphabetical order!

[Hermit Crab]

Finished 3rd for the first time since 1963 or something and a record points total 2 seasons in a row now and European football, they earned it, he's done brilliantly. Reminds me of when Mowbray came to Hibs, he transformed Hibs like Clarke has transformed Kilmarnock.

[Jim44]

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I did enjoy the bye bye Rangers and bye bye Celtic comment. Some job he's done.

Any link to this? Was it a tongue in cheek comment or was he serious?

[Hibbyradge]

Maybe we should get a plastic pitch.

Killie have the 3rd best home record and Livingston are fourth.

[Hibee Mac]

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Kille's pitch got them third.

Their defence knew how to play on it.

Both Hibs and Aberdeen scored more goals and both won more away games.

It's a great season for them, no doubt, but I think the plaudits are on the excessive side.

This. I'll start lauding how amazing Steve Clarke is when they're playing on a grass pitch like the rest of us.

[DaveF]

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Kille's pitch got them third.

Their defence knew how to play on it.

Both Hibs and Aberdeen scored more goals and both won more away games.

It's a great season for them, no doubt, but I think the plaudits are on the excessive side.

Did they not have the plastic pitch when they ended up 11th a few seasons back?

[Hermit Crab]

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Any link to this? Was it a tongue in cheek comment or was he serious?

He was serious, it was broadcast on sportsound, said the same about Celtic as well.

[tonyrougier123]

Clarkes done well, its a decent achievement,but for me its more of a reflection of just how piz poor hibs,aberdeen and hertz have been.

I truly hope he is not the next scotland manager.

[Hibs90]

"This is more nerve wracking than sitting in that box watching that game of football, trust me.

"Listen, the thing about football and clubs like this, it's important on today, this last day of the season, with a record points total of 67, finished third in the league - the manager gets a lot of credit, but see this group of people over here (the players), I'm nothing without the players.

"Without the players a football club doesn't operate because these guys have been magnificent, they have to go to the pitch week in, week out because we wanted to do it ourselves - not wait for Aberdeen - but here on our pitch, this is Kilmarnock.

"What you have to remember is this guy over here you have the best owner I've ever come across in football... and remember I worked for Mr Roman Abramovich. I think Billy Bowie is richer!

"The most important thing at any football club in the world is the supporters, when I came here there weren't as many, there was a disconnect but together we are stronger.

"In my time at Kilmarnock sorry I didn't win you a trophy but as I stand here in front of three stands of Killie supporters and we say bye bye Rangers and make sure next season we say bye bye to Celtic too. This is Kilmarnock, this belongs to you.

"For me, I take this, this is my trophy. Thank you."

[Hermit Crab]

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Did they not have the plastic pitch when they ended up 11th a few seasons back?

29 of their points this season came away from home on grass pitches.

[Hibbyradge]

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Did they not have the plastic pitch when they ended up 11th a few seasons back?

I don't know, but there's no doubt in my mind that both Killie and Livingston benefitted from having a plastic pitch this season.

I'm sure Clarke has got the best out of his players on it, but comparing that to winning a treble is hyperbolic to say the least.

[we are hibs]

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[we are hibs]

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This. I'll start lauding how amazing Steve Clarke is when they're playing on a grass pitch like the rest of us.

Sorry but this is nonsense. Was their pitch the reason they were bottom when he arrived? He's done an incredible job with limited resources. He's also picked up impressive results on the road (and on grass) too so let's not make out as if them playing on a plastic pitch is the reason they're 3rd. It's an artificial turf not a red ash pitch ffs

[Hibbyradge]

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Did they not have the plastic pitch when they ended up 11th a few seasons back?

I just checked. Their pitch was laid at the start of that season. 14/15. They finished 11th.

Since then, they've steadily climbed the table and now, they're 3rd.

[Smartie]

It's pretty poor stuff to put his achievements down to a plastic pitch.

They were nowhere when he took over. He's got ordinary players organised and playing well and improved a good few other players.

Aberdeen, Hearts and us hold a significant financial advantage over them and instead of morning about it they've just concentrated on beating us.

Well done to them is what I say.

Fwiw I hate their pitch as well.

[Hibbyradge]

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29 of their points this season came away from home on grass pitches.

We won 27 and that's with a shocking middle part of the season.

Killie won 38 points at home, Livi were next with 32.

We managed 27.

https://www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=scotland

[Hibbyradge]

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It's pretty poor stuff to put his achievements down to a plastic pitch.

They were nowhere when he took over. He's got ordinary players organised and playing well and improved a good few other players.

Aberdeen, Hearts and us hold a significant financial advantage over them and instead of morning about it they've just concentrated on beating us.

Well done to them is what I say.

Fwiw I hate their pitch as well.

Why do you hate it if it's fair?

[My_Wife_Camille]

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Did they not have the plastic pitch when they ended up 11th a few seasons back?

They also had the plastic pitch when they sacked McCulloch for being rick bottom after failing to win any of his first 8 or 9 games.

Clarke has done an amazing job at Killie regardless of the pitch. One of the things that goes a bit unnoticed is how similar the squad of players is now to when he joined. The vast majority of players are the ones that were sitting bottom of the table when he took over.

I thought some of the praise was a tad OTT last season but this season there’s no arguing with the job he’s done imo.

[Hibee Mac]

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Sorry but this is nonsense. Was their pitch the reason they were bottom when he arrived? He's done an incredible job with limited resources. He's also picked up impressive results on the road (and on grass) too so let's not make out as if them playing on a plastic pitch is the reason they're 3rd. It's an artificial turf not a red ash pitch ffs

I think you need to read the earlier posts I am referring to before posting this.

I'm not saying Clarke hasn't done a good job, which he has. I'm agreeing with HibbyRadge that to compare his achievement of getting Kili to 3rd with that joke of a pitch to a club winning a treble is madness.

[Since452]

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Did they not have the plastic pitch when they ended up 11th a few seasons back?

Yup

[CapitalGreen]

Should all our achievements pre-levelling of the slope be diminished because our pitch gave us an advantage?

Our team obviously would have known how to play on it better than opponents so we must have benefitted greatly from that.

[Hibbyradge]

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Should all our achievements pre-levelling of the slope be diminished because our pitch gave us an advantage?

Our team obviously would have known how to play on it better than opponents so we must have benefitted greatly from that.

Indeed. And we've not achieved half as much since it was levelled.

I'm surprised so many people now think that it's ok for some SPFL teams to have different surfaces from all the other teams.

Fair enough, if that's the case, but whenever I read a matchday thread when we're at Killie, Hamilton or Livi, people are complaining about the pitch.

Clarke has done very well, no-one is denying that, but he's used an unfair advantage to do so, imo.