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[Since452]

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Scottish Football is a mess.

If you can’t see it you are delusional.

SFA - not fit for purpose - disband it and start a fresh. Leadership non existent / refs awful / national stadium farce.

Old Firm - league dominance / sectarian elements - needs sorted and a league with only 2 teams winning it will over time loose interest from other fans.

Scottish mens National Team - no Manager - average players - not qualified for a tournament since 1998 and won’t anytime soon.

Funds - lack of funds - awful TV deals. Women’s league in England getting more than Scottish League.

League structure - 12 teams and split is a farce. Larger league and play each other home and away only. Scrap the minimum x3 / x4 a season or even more games.

Lower league structure - farce teams like Bonnyrigg aren’t promoted / helped to improve structure - remember the 10,000 seater rule they had !

This country will never change till the start again with the national governing body. Disband the SFA as no one trusts it.

Agree with everything you say but if Celtic and Rangers don't want it to change it wont.

[Since452]

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And none of us would ever see hide or tail of European football ever again.

The end.

A couple of European ties every decade or so is what we get just now on average - if you take away the old Intertoto cup.

[HoboHarry]

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Scottish Football is a mess.

If you can’t see it you are delusional.

SFA - not fit for purpose - disband it and start a fresh. Leadership non existent / refs awful / national stadium farce.

Old Firm - league dominance / sectarian elements - needs sorted and a league with only 2 teams winning it will over time loose interest from other fans.

Scottish mens National Team - no Manager - average players - not qualified for a tournament since 1998 and won’t anytime soon.

Funds - lack of funds - awful TV deals. Women’s league in England getting more than Scottish League.

League structure - 12 teams and split is a farce. Larger league and play each other home and away only. Scrap the minimum x3 / x4 a season or even more games.

Lower league structure - farce teams like Bonnyrigg aren’t promoted / helped to improve structure - remember the 10,000 seater rule they had !

This country will never change till the start again with the national governing body. Disband the SFA as no one trusts it.

Been saying that for ages, too many vested interests and none of them can put those above the national interest.

[Haymaker]

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Bournemouth seem to be doing reasonably well for a team with a 12,000 stadium.

The billionaire owner subsidising them helps.

[we are hibs]

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Stopping them unless its the huns. Then it would be a minor achievement bad not an earth shattering one.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place. No one wants Celtic to win 10 in a row yet the only team who can realistically stop them is rangers who I dread of winning the league due to the fact their fans are **** and would rattle on about "55" forever and ever. Both set of fans are unbearable and both outcomes are unbearable.

[Paisley Hibby]

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What would be the bigger achievement;

Celtic winning 10 titles in a row, or someone stopping them winning 10 titles in a row?

You do know this is Hibs Net?

[Eyrie]

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Agree with everything you say but if Celtic and Rangers don't want it to change it wont.

Which is ridiculous if you think about it.

If the other clubs decided to change things to make it a more level playing field, then the Ugly Sisters could do SFA about it. But instead everyone runs scared of a pair of bigot bullies.

[Monts]

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You do know this is Hibs Net?

Yes

[weecounty hibby]

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Agree with everything you say but if Celtic and Rangers don't want it to change it wont.

And therein lies the problem. It's all about two clubs and they think things are fine. The only change they would go for is for the two of them moving to the English league

[Smartie]

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Stuck between a rock and a hard place. No one wants Celtic to win 10 in a row yet the only team who can realistically stop them is rangers who I dread of winning the league due to the fact their fans are **** and would rattle on about "55" forever and ever. Both set of fans are unbearable and both outcomes are unbearable.

10 in a row would be bearable, as the negative impact this would have on the huns would be the silveriest of silver linings.

55 would be un "bear" able, and hopefully they die again before that becomes possible.

[Is It On....]

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Scottish Football is a mess.

If you can’t see it you are delusional.

SFA - not fit for purpose - disband it and start a fresh. Leadership non existent / refs awful / national stadium farce.

Old Firm - league dominance / sectarian elements - needs sorted and a league with only 2 teams winning it will over time loose interest from other fans.

Scottish mens National Team - no Manager - average players - not qualified for a tournament since 1998 and won’t anytime soon.

Funds - lack of funds - awful TV deals. Women’s league in England getting more than Scottish League.

League structure - 12 teams and split is a farce. Larger league and play each other home and away only. Scrap the minimum x3 / x4 a season or even more games.

Lower league structure - farce teams like Bonnyrigg aren’t promoted / helped to improve structure - remember the 10,000 seater rule they had !

This country will never change till the start again with the national governing body. Disband the SFA as no one trusts it.

Nicely summarised..and pretty depressing. I just hope that Ernie Walkers Think Tank have a few good ideas 🙄

[The 90+2]

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European football and British league's are both of little or no interest to me.
When we played in Europe in the 70's and 80's we genuinely thought we had a chance of taking a couple of big scalps. Realistically we have very little chance now of ever making the group stages and if we did it would probably result in six losses and a really poor domestic league campaign.

As you point out regular travel to England and Wales would be just too much and many League two teams would have similar budgets to ours and it is possible we could drop down the leagues.

If an EPL game is on tv and St Mirren v Hamilton is on i tend to watch the Scottish game, quite happy where we are.

I’m completely the same mate.

[Monts]

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And therein lies the problem. It's all about two clubs and they think things are fine. The only change they would go for is for the two of them moving to the English league

I suppose it depends. If celtic continue to dominate, rangers might actually start looking at options that would make the league more competitive, giving them better chance of winning the league.

[Diclonius]

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I suppose it depends. If celtic continue to dominate, rangers might actually start looking at options that would make the league more competitive, giving them better chance of winning the league.

Like an 18 team league? There's no way TV companies would allow that to happen.

[GreenCastle]

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Agree with everything you say but if Celtic and Rangers don't want it to change it wont.

I said on another post recently.

All clubs should break away and start own league.

Old Firm would be screwed - no where to play.

If they wanted to play in Scotland they need to share TV revenue and agree to new conduct about sectarian singing for starters. Also only play each other twice a season. Not 4 due to TV deal.

The old firm need us more than they realise as England won’t take or need them.

[GreenCastle]

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Like an 18 team league? There's no way TV companies would allow that to happen.

That’s an issue too.

I know TV gives the money but the governing body needs to grow a backbone and figure out what’s best for everyone.

[Monts]

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Like an 18 team league? There's no way TV companies would allow that to happen.

Even if the product had gone stale due to Celtic winning everything? TV companies would benefit from spicing things up and aiding a challenge.

[danhibees1875]

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Like an 18 team league? There's no way TV companies would allow that to happen.

Is it just the TV companies though?

Celtic/rangers won't want to reduce their derbies. Hibs and hearts also.
The rest of the teams would be swapping the money from their second visits (as well as Hibs and hearts) for minimal number of fans/money they'll get if there's 6 more teams bringing 100/200 fans.

[Jones28]

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Is it just the TV companies though?

Celtic/rangers won't want to reduce their derbies. Hibs and hearts also.
The rest of the teams would be swapping the money from their second visits (as well as Hibs and hearts) for minimal number of fans/money they'll get if there's 6 more teams bringing 100/200 fans.

I would rather take money off an extra 10 thousand plus old firm and Hearts fans than see a dribbling of Morton fans for example.

[hfc rd]

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I hope that was intended as a joke.

Nope, I was being 100% serious.

Each season Celtic have won those 8 league titles pretty comfortably. It’s not like the title race has gone right down to the wire (like this season in the EPL) and someone other than Celtic could win it. They are the heavy favourites at the start of each season to win it and their resources & finances are far superior to anyone in Scotland to even compete with them over a course of a season.

That’s why someone stoping them winning 10 in a row would be a bigger achievement than them winning 10 titles in a row when it practically has their name on the trophy before a ball is even kicked.

[SquashedFrogg]

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Nope, I was being 100% serious.

Each season Celtic have won those 8 league titles pretty comfortably. It’s not like the title race has gone right down to the wire (like this season in the EPL) and someone other than Celtic could win it. They are the heavy favourites at the start of each season to win it and their resources & finances are far superior to anyone in Scotland to even compete with them over a course of a season.

That’s why someone stoping them winning 10 in a row would be a bigger achievement than them winning 10 titles in a row when it practically has their name on the trophy before a ball is even kicked.

So a team wining 1 in a row would be a bigger achievement than a team winning 10 in a row?

[Eyrie]

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Even if the product had gone stale due to Celtic winning everything? TV companies would benefit from spicing things up and aiding a challenge.

I don't think the TV companies would consider Hibs vs Partick a suitable replacement for two Edinburgh derbies, and they'd be even less happy at the viewing figures for Celtc vs Ayr or Sevco vs Morton compared to two Ugly Sisters games.

An 18 team league would see a massive drop in TV money, with what little was paid spread even more thinly because there are more teams. And with less money we'd end up competing for players with non-league teams in England.

[sambajustice]

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So a team wining 1 in a row would be a bigger achievement than a team winning 10 in a row?

I'd say probably yes when you look at it...

No team other than Celtic or Rangers have won the league since the 80's, so its the norm. They share 104 titles out of about what? 140ish?


Leicester winning one PL is a bigger achievement than Man City winning 2 on the bounce.

[jacomo]

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Is it just the TV companies though?

Celtic/rangers won't want to reduce their derbies. Hibs and hearts also.
The rest of the teams would be swapping the money from their second visits (as well as Hibs and hearts) for minimal number of fans/money they'll get if there's 6 more teams bringing 100/200 fans.

Yes, but you balance that against a potentially more exciting league that attracts more interest. Only playing each team twice should make it possible for a more competitive division. It’s not a straightforward calculation.

[hfc rd]

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So a team wining 1 in a row would be a bigger achievement than a team winning 10 in a row?

Yes it would.

When you consider how strong Celtic are over everyone else in the league both on and off the pitch, it would be a big achievement if a team stopped them winning 10 in a row. As I said, when was the last time Celtic looked like they weren’t going to win the league? Probably Rangers pre-liquidation. Then again, those two had dominated the league since the end of the 80’s.

[Just Jimmy]

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Yes, but you balance that against a potentially more exciting league that attracts more interest. Only playing each team twice should make it possible for a more competitive division. It’s not a straightforward calculation.

maybe eventually.

until that point how much money would be lost? it would take years if not decades to shift attitudes about our league being crap or a pub league.

in addition why would teams other than Celtic start winning the title?

I'm for it mainly because we have to try something. I'm just not sold it'll be as much of a utopia as every one makes out.

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[Bangkok Hibby]

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So a team wining 1 in a row would be a bigger achievement than a team winning 10 in a row?

Definitely, as I said earlier 4 of their 8 didnt even have The Rangers in the league. They are so far ahead of everyone that they and everyone else expects them to win. So no big achievement. Another team stopping them would be.

[danhibees1875]

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Yes, but you balance that against a potentially more exciting league that attracts more interest. Only playing each team twice should make it possible for a more competitive division. It’s not a straightforward calculation.

I just don't think it would lead to more excitement or interest. There would be reduced crowds, reduced investment,a lower quality of player/football, and still have Rangers and Celtic running away with the leagues, IMO.

[JXM73]

Maybe some one with bit more time on their hands can do a premier league table, removin results against the old firm.. we can crown the top of the 10 unofficial champions...

[JXM73]

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Maybe some one with bit more time on their hands can do a premier league table, removin results against the old firm.. we can crown the top of the 10 unofficial champions...

**** that, aberdeen are champions but we drop to 5th with a game in hand...

Aberdeen
Killie
St johnstone
Hearts
Hibs
Motherwell
Livi
Accies
St mirren
Dundee