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    European Parliamentary Elections May 23rd 2019

    Have seen big billboards all over town for the upcoming Elections on May 23rd

    I've never voted in the European Elections before, and haven't had anything through the post or seen any materials around the city.

    Does anyone have any links as to where I can find out info around the candidates, their manifesto's etc?

    Ta in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicSwirlingShip View Post
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    Have seen big billboards all over town for the upcoming Elections on May 23rd

    I've never voted in the European Elections before, and haven't had anything through the post or seen any materials around the city.

    Does anyone have any links as to where I can find out info around the candidates, their manifesto's etc?

    Ta in advance!
    You’ll be lucky to find a proper manifesto. The brexit party who are currently in the lead in the polls are going to publish theirs after the election. The tories don’t want to fight the elections so they’re not bothering with a manifesto. Labour have published one, but they might as well haven’t as it tells us nothing as they don’t know what stance to take. Then you have the other remain parties who mostly can’t even agree who’s in charge and who’s going to be stepping down after said election and we have the SNP who have been reported to the electoral commission for a dodgy flyer. Take your pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicSwirlingShip View Post
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    Have seen big billboards all over town for the upcoming Elections on May 23rd

    I've never voted in the European Elections before, and haven't had anything through the post or seen any materials around the city.

    Does anyone have any links as to where I can find out info around the candidates, their manifesto's etc?

    Ta in advance!

    Don't waste your time. We are leaving anyway, so why bother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollution View Post
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    Don't waste your time. We are leaving anyway, so why bother?
    That's where I am.

    What point could possibly be made with a vote here?

    The only point I could see in it would be that my vote will most certainly NOT be for the Brexit party, and if I don't vote then it will make their vote proportionally higher, and I don't want anyone to read much into a high vote for them.

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    That's where I am.

    What point could possibly be made with a vote here?

    The only point I could see in it would be that my vote will most certainly NOT be for the Brexit party, and if I don't vote then it will make their vote proportionally higher, and I don't want anyone to read much into a high vote for them.
    Your lack of vote will also be counted.

    The main thing that's going to be measured in this election is public sentiment towards no deal, measured in votes for Farage, and public sentiment towards stopping Brexit, measured in votes for Lib+Green+SNP. The relative totals between these camps will be the narrative on Friday and will set the political weather for the summer.

    If you want to push the Tories towards No deal - vote Fascist (or don't vote because there is surely a motivated band of zealots going to vote for him).

    If you want to push Labour towards 2nd ref/Remain - vote for a Remain party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    Your lack of vote will also be counted.

    The main thing that's going to be measured in this election is public sentiment towards no deal, measured in votes for Farage, and public sentiment towards stopping Brexit, measured in votes for Lib+Green+SNP. The relative totals between these camps will be the narrative on Friday and will set the political weather for the summer.

    If you want to push the Tories towards No deal - vote Fascist (or don't vote because there is surely a motivated band of zealots going to vote for him).

    If you want to push Labour towards 2nd ref/Remain - vote for a Remain party.
    The result of the election won't be known until after 10pm on Sunday.
    There is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.

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    The result of the election won't be known until after 10pm on Sunday.
    I didn't get where I am today by knowing wtf I'm talking about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicSwirlingShip View Post
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    Have seen big billboards all over town for the upcoming Elections on May 23rd

    I've never voted in the European Elections before, and haven't had anything through the post or seen any materials around the city.

    Does anyone have any links as to where I can find out info around the candidates, their manifesto's etc?

    Ta in advance!
    My postal ballot paper arrived on Thursday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    I'll be voting Green or SNP for no other reason than to register a vote for someone other than one of the leave trio of Tory, Brexit and Labour.
    That’s where I’m at.

    Not really any interest in this election but always vote for SNP, don’t agree with all their policies so wondering if this could be good opportunity to put a vote the Greens way, they’re the only two credible parties in Scotland just now IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    I'll be voting Green or SNP for no other reason than to register a vote for someone other than one of the leave trio of Tory, Brexit and Labour.
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    That’s where I’m at.

    Not really any interest in this election but always vote for SNP, don’t agree with all their policies so wondering if this could be good opportunity to put a vote the Greens way, they’re the only two credible parties in Scotland just now IMO.
    On this occasion I think it would be better to side with the SNP if you believe in independence. A referendum is likely to be called before we have another election and a reduction in the SNP vote would be used by the unionist parties as a sign that independence isn’t what people want. Obviously I know the Greens are pro independence, but a split in the vote could allow a unionist remain party in.
    This is the only occasion I would advise against voting for the greens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    On this occasion I think it would be better to side with the SNP if you believe in independence. A referendum is likely to be called before we have another election and a reduction in the SNP vote would be used by the unionist parties as a sign that independence isn’t what people want. Obviously I know the Greens are pro independence, but a split in the vote could allow a unionist remain party in.
    This is the only occasion I would advise against voting for the greens.
    The Greens are solidly pro Indy, clearly remain and in with a chance of getting an MEP elected this time. They’ll probably get my vote this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    The Greens are solidly pro Indy, clearly remain and in with a chance of getting an MEP elected this time. They’ll probably get my vote this time.
    Yes I’m well aware of that, but this election is largely irrelevant as those elected will either never take up their seat or only take up their seat for a short period. Therefore this vote is only really valid for sending a message to Westminster. I wouldn’t normally advise against voting for the greens, but in this instance I feel it’s vital not to split the independence vote. My worry is that a split in the vote might allow a brexit party candidate in. We don’t want another situation where Scotland returns an idiot to Europe like David Cockburn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    On this occasion I think it would be better to side with the SNP if you believe in independence. A referendum is likely to be called before we have another election and a reduction in the SNP vote would be used by the unionist parties as a sign that independence isn’t what people want. Obviously I know the Greens are pro independence, but a split in the vote could allow a unionist remain party in.
    This is the only occasion I would advise against voting for the greens.
    Be aware of how the EU election works, top party gets a seat, then their vote is halved for the next stage, next highest vote gets a seat, and their vote is halved. and so on until all six seats are allocated

    predictions I have seen are SNP 3 seats, Green 1 seat and the other 2 are between Brexit and Tory
    There is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns View Post
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    Be aware of how the EU election works, top party gets a seat, then their vote is halved for the next stage, next highest vote gets a seat, and their vote is halved. and so on until all six seats are allocated

    predictions I have seen are SNP 3 seats, Green 1 seat and the other 2 are between Brexit and Tory
    I completely understand you and I respect what you stand for, but in this election more than any other I feel that it’s vital that we all speak with one voice. I believe it’s possible for the SNP to win all 6 seats. Normally I’d say that’s bad for democracy, but in this occasion it’s the forerunner to independence. Europe will get the message and if we’re denied a section 30 but we hold a referendum anyway, The EU are far more likely to recognise our result if it goes our way. We need to keep our eyes on the prize.

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    One of the remain parties, not sure who yet though

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    We don't vote until the 26th. I'm seriously considering voting for the German Tories for the first and probably last time in my life. Mainly because I'd like to make a statement of support for Merkel's actions during the refugee crisis and as a counterbalance against the AfD. I'd normally vote Green over here and will do in the next general election.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ithin-20-years

    Majority of Europeans expect the EU to end within next 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ithin-20-years

    Majority of Europeans expect the EU to end within next 20 years.
    Makes it all the better that the Tories are dragging us out with a no deal Brexit in that context 😒
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    Had loads of stuff through the door (Cambridge) but the Brexit party one was addressed to me not just delivered by party activists. If they are doing that for everyone registered to vote it will be costing a fortune.

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    Voted, but that was a grudged "X" this morning.

    As an anti-Brexit, anti-Indy voter who vowed never to vote Lib Dem again after they ****ed over generations of students and supported the bedroom tax, placing an X was a near-impossible task.

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    Greens for me today. Latest polling suggest there is a chance of them taking a seat in Scotland as well.

    The next 2 points may be somewhat contradictory but....... I wanted to show support for both remain and independence. However I also believe that half a decade of constitutional obsession in both Scotland and the UK as a whole has seen 2 issues dominate the political landscape at the expense of other pressing matters. Of those other matters the potential impact of climate change on both our lives and that of our children means it needs dealt with now. A strong Green support in Scotland, and the UK, keeps the discussion going where it matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    Greens for me today. Latest polling suggest there is a chance of them taking a seat in Scotland as well.

    The next 2 points may be somewhat contradictory but....... I wanted to show support for both remain and independence. However I also believe that half a decade of constitutional obsession in both Scotland and the UK as a whole has seen 2 issues dominate the political landscape at the expense of other pressing matters. Of those other matters the potential impact of climate change on both our lives and that of our children means it needs dealt with now. A strong Green support in Scotland, and the UK, keeps the discussion going where it matters.
    Good post, if I was here I'd be voting SNP at every election until we had an independent Scotland and Greens thereafter.

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    Voted, but that was a grudged "X" this morning.

    As an anti-Brexit, anti-Indy voter who vowed never to vote Lib Dem again after they ****ed over generations of students and supported the bedroom tax, placing an X was a near-impossible task.
    You could've *been* Scotland's CUK voter! Found their niche at last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    You could've *been* Scotland's CUK voter! Found their niche at last.
    Couldn't bring myself to do that either - like Pretty Boy, I went Green (I'm aware they support the SNP in their Independence march, but given my area of expertise, I support a lot of their "green" policies).

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    Couldn't bring myself to do that either - like Pretty Boy, I went Green (I'm aware they support the SNP in their Independence march, but given my area of expertise, I support a lot of their "green" policies).
    Genuinely interested - how do you reconcile that with regular journeys to SFO? Green is the closest party to me policy-wise but I love travel and find it hard to reconcile my own hypocrisy enough to vote for them.

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