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21-04-2019 09:16 PM #62This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
People are very misty eyed about Goram in particular - he made a decent amount of bad mistakes at Hibs as well as some incredible stops. I wouldn’t say Rocky is definitely better than our Scottish internationals but he’s up there with them. I think Bogdan has been terrific too- we’ve been spoiled this year.
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21-04-2019 09:35 PM #63
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21-04-2019 10:00 PM #64
10/10 today , 1 mistake could have cost us but went unpunished , strolled rest of game and some of those saves wow 😮
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21-04-2019 11:24 PM #65This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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21-04-2019 11:31 PM #66This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Not to say they weren’t both fantastic though😀
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22-04-2019 12:12 AM #67
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Absolutely outstanding from Rocky today.
His form's been very good generally with a major improvement in his distribution since his return from injury making him a much better all round player- he was always a cracking shot stopper though - but today!
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22-04-2019 12:53 AM #68
I'm 30. So seen a lot of dross in my time. Marciano for me is the best I've seen. His shot stopping ability is second to none And if it wasn't for Mallan he'd be my player of the year for sure.
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22-04-2019 04:17 AM #69
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Our best keeper since Jim Leighton. We will be lucky to keep him
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22-04-2019 07:13 AM #70
Even the best keepers make the odd mistake , aka de Gea against Barca but it’s the strength in character to come back after
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22-04-2019 07:26 AM #71This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Both were top Keepers that always got their angles correct were professional about their business and took great satisfaction from clean sheets
I can recall many from Rocky but his memory is of course more recent
Rocky however since PH came in has been nothing short of sensational
His form shot stopping and confidence in the box has been outstanding and his distribution has improved beyond all recognition
I feel sorry for Adam Bogdan another excellent goalkeeper
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22-04-2019 07:30 AM #72
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22-04-2019 09:52 AM #74
I've argued before that the position of goalkeeper has evolved so much over the years, and massively in a short period of time, that comparing keepers from different generations is very difficult.
One of the major difference is goalkeepers have to be footballers nowadays. Someone like Edwin Van Der Sar was a brilliant passer of the ball and very comfortable receiving a pass in a tight spot. Whilst Andy Goram adapted to that side of the game after the pass back rule was changed, Jim Leighton never really did. There's no way Leighton could have played out from the back the way the modern game demands. He worked exceptionally hard on his kicking in training but it just wasn't natural to him.
You also have to look at the sheer physical size of the top goalkeepers over the last decade or so:
Buffon - 6'4"
Van Der Sar - 6'5"
Courtois - 6'6"
Oblak - 6'2"
De Gea - 6'4"
Lloris - 6'2"
Neurer - 6'4"
Ter Stegen -6'2"
Cech - 6'6"
Even a guy like Cassilas who was considered a smaller goalkeeper was 6'1". Would Andy Goram at 5'11" have coped with the physical demands of the modern keeper? Again to reference Van Der Sar; he weighed 12kg (approx 2 stone) more at the end of his career than he did at the start but his body fat percentage was lower. It was all lean muscle.
I love the history of goalkeeping and have a near obsession with watching old clips. Watching videos of guys like Banks, Yashin, Shilton, Schmeichel and so on is brilliant and their contribution to the evolution of the position is huge but the sheer agility and athleticism of the modern day goalkeeper is a whole new level.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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22-04-2019 10:00 AM #75
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/scotland/48008384
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22-04-2019 10:04 AM #76
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https://twitter.com/hfcnufc/status/1119991290685476865
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22-04-2019 10:23 AM #77
I do wonder why he’s not playing for a mid table EPL team. He’s phenomenal.
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22-04-2019 10:25 AM #78This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-04-2019 12:00 PM #80This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-04-2019 10:57 PM #81This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Leighton also had a horrendous derby at ER when
Colin Cameron ripped us apart, other poor game v Kimarnock in cup sticks out, he had a howler of a game that day.
Thats just off top of ma heed, but let me reiterate they were brilliant for Hibs.
I think goalies got away with more back then - every mistake now is documented with cameras at every game and discusions on forums and twitter etc. No hiding these days!
So the fact i think Rocky is better than them is high praise.
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22-04-2019 11:19 PM #82
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22-04-2019 11:31 PM #83This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Goram was nicknamed “ The Goalie” for a reason
Tommy Burns once said etch “ Andy Goram broke my heart on my tombstone.”
I will give you the Paul Wright howitzers that came down wi sna on them versus Jim Leighton for Killie in the Scottish Cup at Easter Road
Hibs up to a certain time were spoiled for choice for good goalkeepers
Goram and Leighton are up there with the best 134 caps for Scotland between them
The total might have been more for Goram but he threw a wobbly
Both at certain times in their careers being hailed as among the best in the world
Rocky better than Goram and Leighton?
I had to check the calendar April Fools Day was the start of the month
Rocky has been totally outstanding since PH came in but without even thinking about it too hard :
Christie near post free kick Hampden Park
Freddo near post Christmas past last year versus t Hun
St Johnstone away..... well we will forget that
Aberdeen away 4-1 defeat though Efe culpable
I watched Goram home and away and I can honestly say he was worth 12 points a season the same can be said for Leighton
I honestly do not know how Leighton is not more lauded at HIBS but have to admit his kicking was ropey
The best way I can sum it up is with Goram and Leighton you knew you were as safe as houses with them Rocky and Bogdan you always feel that there is a clanger lurking around the corner though I must say I haven’t felt that about Rocky recently and his kicking has improved beyond recognition thanks to PH and his attention to detail that and having a settled defence
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23-04-2019 12:00 PM #85This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-04-2019 12:08 PM #86
As with most debates of this kind your age will alot of the time dictate who you view as the better player. Older folk tend to say Pele, Maradona ect whereas the younger generation will say Messi , Ronaldo ect.
I don't think it's that crazy a suggestion to say Marciano is on Leighton's level.
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23-04-2019 12:15 PM #87This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Oh but must add, what a goalie to have at Hibs just now...Last edited by Phil MaGlass; 23-04-2019 at 12:19 PM.
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23-04-2019 12:21 PM #88This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Almost as bad as saying Olly is the new Steven Fletcher
Rocky is on a run of nine good games
Leighton and Goram had years and years of continued consistant success at the highest level
Dearie me !
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23-04-2019 12:27 PM #89
He's a great goalie.
I wonder if we look back how many points he's been worth this season?
1 on Sunday for starters.
Commanded his box well enough against Hearts - worth giving him 2 for that?
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23-04-2019 12:28 PM #90
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