Strict liability BBC survey

[Diclonius]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47646210

Only 3 of 42 SPFL clubs are for strict liability. Us and Abedeen responded neither for or against. Celtic, Rangers and Hearts didn't bother responding.

[Sir David Gray]

What's the difference between "no comment" and "did not respond"?

[Peevemor]

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What's the difference between "no comment" and "did not respond"?

Some answered that they wouldn't comment. Others simply didn't answer at all.

[Smartie]

Some decent comments from Willie Miller and Gerry Britton in there.

[Sir David Gray]

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Some answered that they wouldn't comment. Others simply didn't answer at all.

I knew that would be the answer but I don't see why there's a distinction being made between the two.

If someone asks you a question and you fail to give them an answer then that is you giving them "no comment".

[The 90+2]

Why should we get done for anything anyone else does in our stadium? That’s why it’s being rejected.

[The 90+2]

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Some decent comments from Willie Miller and Gerry Britton in there.

Willie Miller is an ********.

[JohnM1875]

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Why should we get done for anything anyone else does in our stadium? That’s why it’s being rejected.

If its our fans who are causing the trouble then why shouldn't we?

There needs to be a deterrent or things will never change.

[JimBHibees]

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Why should we get done for anything anyone else does in our stadium? That’s why it’s being rejected.

It is the actions of the clubs supporters. Rangers fans misbehave at ER it is them that get done. think it is the only way of resolving and also encouraging fans to self police. this is IMO in the main to let OF fans get away with things and should be brought in for that exact reason. As usual total lack of backbone and leadership in this country and to me it is the clubs and the football authorities who need to step up now.

[Sir David Gray]

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If its our fans who are causing the trouble then why shouldn't we?

There needs to be a deterrent or things will never change.

If it was a deterrent then why are there still fans misbehaving at UEFA tournaments where strict liability applies?

The fact is, football clubs attract idiots who will do stupid things and that will be the case whether there's a threat of their club being punished or not. The only difference is, if there's strict liability in place then you punish the offender along with the club and all other innocent fans. Without strict liability only the offender gets punished.

I don't see how punishing a football club or banning innocent people from attending future games is going to help prevent further incidents from happening.

[CockneyRebel]

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If its our fans who are causing the trouble then why shouldn't we?

There needs to be a deterrent or things will never change.

Exactly. The OF won't join in, they'd be bankrupt in one season.

[Future17]

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What's the difference between "no comment" and "did not respond"?

Common courtesy.

[JimBHibees]

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If it was a deterrent then why are there still fans misbehaving at UEFA tournaments where strict liability applies?

The fact is, football clubs attract idiots who will do stupid things and that will be the case whether there's a threat of their club being punished or not. The only difference is, if there's strict liability in place then you punish the offender along with the club and all other innocent fans. Without strict liability only the offender gets punished.

I don't see how punishing a football club or banning innocent people from attending future games is going to help prevent further incidents from happening.

Because the sanctions are pretty light first up. Rangers song book stopped overnight when UEFA started fining them about their songs, the club started doing something about it and it pretty much stopped. That is what should happen here.

[pacoluna]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47646210

Only 3 of 42 SPFL clubs are for strict liability. Us and Abedeen responded neither for or against. Celtic, Rangers and Hearts didn't bother responding.

Hibs playing the labour card.

[Lago]

Scottish football will never change, that's one certainty.

[ancient hibee]

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It is the actions of the clubs supporters. Rangers fans misbehave at ER it is them that get done. think it is the only way of resolving and also encouraging fans to self police. this is IMO in the main to let OF fans get away with things and should be brought in for that exact reason. As usual total lack of backbone and leadership in this country and to me it is the clubs and the football authorities who need to step up now.

That’s not what Miller’s suggesting at all.He says that the host club should be held responsible for the behaviour of everyone in the ground.

[JimBHibees]

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That’s not what Miller’s suggesting at all.He says that the host club should be held responsible for the behaviour of everyone in the ground.

If he is saying that it is absolutely ridiculous.

[Sir David Gray]

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That’s not what Miller’s suggesting at all.He says that the host club should be held responsible for the behaviour of everyone in the ground.

Ridiculous idea. The Rangers and Celtic fans would love that, just shut up and enjoy the game at home matches and sing and shout whatever you like at away matches so the home club gets hammered for it.

Never heard anything quite so stupid and if that's the level of intellect that BBC Scotland are getting their views from then there's no hope.

[Sir David Gray]

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If he is saying that it is absolutely ridiculous.

It is.

Former Aberdeen director of football Willie Miller

It's shame on the clubs if they don't accept strict liability. If you are licensed to host an event, you should be responsible for what happens at your ground. Whatever sanctions the authorities want to place upon any incident, they should be able to do that. It's a case of taking responsibility and not burying your head in the sand.

It doesn't matter if it's a small minority, it doesn't matter if it's the away fans, it's your responsibility, hosting that event, to make sure there are not the scenes we've had lately in terms of players' safety, racial abuse or sectarian abuse. It's down to that club to make sure that doesn't happen. That would be a big step forward in alienating these idiots from our game.

[Diclonius]

I can see it now:

"HIBERNIAN have been hit with partial stadium closure for failing to control sectarian chanting from fans in the South Stand in last week's fixture against Rangers at Easter Road.

This unprecedented move by the SFA will force Hibs not to sell any tickets in the home stands for the upcoming game against Celtic. However, the away end will remain open for Celtic fans."

[JimBHibees]

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It is.

Former Aberdeen director of football Willie Miller

It's shame on the clubs if they don't accept strict liability. If you are licensed to host an event, you should be responsible for what happens at your ground. Whatever sanctions the authorities want to place upon any incident, they should be able to do that. It's a case of taking responsibility and not burying your head in the sand.

It doesn't matter if it's a small minority, it doesn't matter if it's the away fans, it's your responsibility, hosting that event, to make sure there are not the scenes we've had lately in terms of players' safety, racial abuse or sectarian abuse. It's down to that club to make sure that doesn't happen. That would be a big step forward in alienating these idiots from our game.

How moronic that is.

[superfurryhibby]

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That’s not what Miller’s suggesting at all.He says that the host club should be held responsible for the behaviour of everyone in the ground.

“Former Aberdeen director of football Willie Miller

It's shame on the clubs if they don't accept strict liability. If you are licensed to host an event, you should be responsible for what happens at your ground. Whatever sanctions the authorities want to place upon any incident, they should be able to do that. It's a case of taking responsibility and not burying your head in the sand.

It doesn't matter if it's a small minority, it doesn't matter if it's the away fans, it's your responsibility, hosting that event, to make sure there are not the scenes we've had lately in terms of players' safety, racial abuse or sectarian abuse. It's down to that club to make sure that doesn't happen. That would be a big step forward in alienating these idiots from our game”

Bizarre statement from Miller.

[Smartie]

I stand corrected.

Willie Miller is clearly talking nonsense, and that would not work.

I suspect he misunderstands the concept though - he does refer to strict liability and he did seem in favour of clubs taking some form of responsibility instead of the none that is currently the case, and not working.

[Diclonius]

Hey, here's an idea - if Celtic/Rangers will do nothing about it then why don't the non-OF clubs themselves make a stand?

Stick a big CCTV camera on the whole away end and ban anyone who sings sectarian songs from Easter Road for ten years. If we do it right that's around 1,000 fans (or in the case of Rangers probably the whole end). They have plenty fans who will replace them so repeat the process until they realise if they come out with the party songs they won't be invited back.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Strict liability is fine if the perpetrators themselves had to pay the fines, gate receipt loses, damage costs etc

[superfurryhibby]

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I stand corrected.

Willie Miller is clearly talking nonsense, and that would not work.

I suspect he misunderstands the concept though - he does refer to strict liability and he did seem in favour of clubs taking some form of responsibility instead of the none that is currently the case, and not working.

I thought the same thing. Miller’s acknowledging that we need change and accountability, it’s just that he’s mistaking running a nightclub with running a football team.

[Joe6-2]

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I can see it now:

"HIBERNIAN have been hit with partial stadium closure for failing to control sectarian chanting from fans in the South Stand in last week's fixture against Rangers at Easter Road.

This unprecedented move by the SFA will force Hibs not to sell any tickets in the home stands for the upcoming game against Celtic. However, the away end will remain open for Celtic fans."

This scenario would not surprise me in the least!

[The 90+2]

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It is the actions of the clubs supporters. Rangers fans misbehave at ER it is them that get done. think it is the only way of resolving and also encouraging fans to self police. this is IMO in the main to let OF fans get away with things and should be brought in for that exact reason. As usual total lack of backbone and leadership in this country and to me it is the clubs and the football authorities who need to step up now.

Not what that pwick Miller was promoting though.

[The 90+2]

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Hey, here's an idea - if Celtic/Rangers will do nothing about it then why don't the non-OF clubs themselves make a stand?

Stick a big CCTV camera on the whole away end and ban anyone who sings sectarian songs from Easter Road for ten years. If we do it right that's around 1,000 fans (or in the case of Rangers probably the whole end). They have plenty fans who will replace them so repeat the process until they realise if they come out with the party songs they won't be invited back.

We won’t do it.

We simply want their money.

[Keith_M]

Brian McLaughlin reports on the arrest of three Rangers Fans at ER for sectarian singing as part of his match report.

The result? He was subsequently banned from Ibrox, a ban which has now been ongoing for over four years.

Graham Spiers writes an article in the Herald in which he expresses disappointment that Rangers (the club he supports) are not doing enough to tackle sectarianism. He includes an account a Director of Rangers praising the sectarian 'Billy Boys' song.

The result? Rangers apply pressure on his employer, who eventually sack him.

They then sack a colleague of Spiers who dared to express her support for him on Twitter.


Does anybody seriously think that lot would accept Strict Liability for the disgusting behaviour of their bigoted Fans?