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    Double Glazing Query

    Hi

    Can anyone help me with a query?

    Do to us living close to traffic we wanted some new windows fitted to help reduce the noise. So we got quoted for the below :

    'Clear low emission and heat retaining Pilkington K laminated/toughened double glazed units 10mm low E safety glass with warm spacer with Argon gas and 6.4mm laminated safety glass'

    Windows were fitted and after the fitters had left we noticed the glass was Saint Gobain and we measured the thickness with a glass measure and discovered it was 6mm and 6mm, not 6mm and 10mm.

    The reply back was that it is Pilkington glass but the double glazing units are put together by Saint Gobain and supplied to the window manufacturer (no sign of the Pilkington brand anywhere) As regards the thickness he said the windows we have did not accept the 6mm and 10mm thickness and the 10mm was an error, what we have is 2 x skins of laminated glass to dampen any noise.

    So couple of questions.

    1- Can it be Pilkington glass but with the Saint Gobain brand?

    2- With regard to the thickness then is it true, is 2 x 6mm as effective as what we wanted which was 6mm and 10mm.

    Are we being strung along or does it all make sense?
    Last edited by James310; 02-03-2019 at 04:03 PM.


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    @hibs.net private member Moulin Yarns's Avatar
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    Were they totally new windows and frames? The bit about the windows not accepting the deeper units sounds like new glazing in existing windows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns View Post
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    Were they totally new windows and frames? The bit about the windows not accepting the deeper units sounds like new glazing in existing windows.
    They were new windows and frames. Bespoke build for our extension.

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    Double glazed units are assembled to suit the size of the windows. There's nothing unusual about Saint Gobain making the units using Pilkington glass.

    As for the 6+6 or 6+10, the 6+6 won't be as effective. Apart from there being less glass (and therefore mass), different thicknesses of glass will reduce different frequencies of sound.

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    Double glazed units are assembled to suit the size of the windows. There's nothing unusual about Saint Gobain making the units using Pilkington glass.

    As for the 6+6 or 6+10, the 6+6 won't be as effective. Apart from there being less glass (and therefore mass), different thicknesses of glass will reduce different frequencies of sound.
    Thanks, so at least he telling the truth about the Pilkington glass then. Which makes me think he could be right about the thickness. Although none of this was ever explained to us at the time and we paid based on the description on the invoice.

    We also have other windows in the room that are 6mm and 10mm.
    Last edited by James310; 02-03-2019 at 04:34 PM.

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    So one of the new windows is leaking!

    I am still not happy that we paid for and were invoiced for glass that was 6mm and 10mm but that's not what we got.

    Is he in breach of contract by not supplying what we specifically asked for and thought we were paying for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    So one of the new windows is leaking!

    I am still not happy that we paid for and were invoiced for glass that was 6mm and 10mm but that's not what we got.

    Is he in breach of contract by not supplying what we specifically asked for and thought we were paying for?
    The council has a trading standards department. Speak to them about not getting what was specified.
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    You will have to give them the opportunity to put right, I would be seeking some independent advice about what you have been sold and whatís been fitted.

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    The council has a trading standards department. Speak to them about not getting what was specified.
    Will do, and the company is an Edinburgh Council Trusted Trader as well! I have a legal advice helpline through my home insurance and they say he has breached by misrepresentation.

    Just working out my next move.

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    You will have to give them the opportunity to put right, I would be seeking some independent advice about what you have been sold and whatís been fitted.
    Yes, I am going to see if he replies and if not write again with a deadline to reply. If not then I will get back in touch with the legal helpline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James310 View Post
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    Will do, and the company is an Edinburgh Council Trusted Trader as well! I have a legal advice helpline through my home insurance and they say he has breached by misrepresentation.

    Just working out my next move.
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    Donít forget to leave a review of the contractor on the trusted trader site.
    Well he made my wife complete the review paperwork on the day they fitted them, before we had a chance to properly inspect the work. She should have waited but she had no reason to doubt the work. However thanks for pointing it out as it made me look at that site and they have their own dispute service which he has to follow as a member of the scheme. I am reading it in more detail now.

    I am guessing most of his customers would never measure the thickness of the glass so he may have thought we would never know. He never knew he was up against my wife!
    Last edited by James310; 04-03-2019 at 06:50 PM.

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