Willie McKay and Emiliano Salah

***CentreLine*** · 26-03-2019 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS

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Why announce it then?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...villa-15706138

Looks to me from the attached image that he has signed or about to sign a contract with a proud Chairman looking on

You cannot defend the indefensible

He may have done so. However, the very fact that there appears to be an issue here suggests perhaps not. The position is not indefensible until it is clear. The bigger point I am trying to make is that in this day of social media people are far too quick to polarise their position and become part of the mob. The term “witch hunt” should have been lost to our society but has made a monumental comeback.

***BILLYHIBS*** · 26-03-2019 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by CentreLine

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He may have done so. However, the very fact that there appears to be an issue here suggests perhaps not. The position is not indefensible until it is clear. The bigger point I am trying to make is that in this day of social media people are far too quick to polarise their position and become part of the mob. The term “witch hunt” should have been lost to our society but has made a monumental comeback.

No witch hunt real or imagined as far as I am concerned

In contract law it is either black or white no grey areas

It turns out he did sign the contract but it was not compliant with Premier League rules and was returned to Cardiff for them to get the player to sign an amended one and he was therefore not registered

The plot thickens ?

***Bostonhibby*** · 26-03-2019 08:07 AM

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Thing is, he either signed or he didn't. If he hadn't then their insurance is irrelevant, and it's up to the French club to go through their insurance.

This is exactly it, and of course the insurance would only kick in if the clubs arranged the right cover and decided to claim on it.

If cardiff's position is that he's not their player it's unlikely they'll have any cover.

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***CentreLine*** · 26-03-2019 11:25 AM

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No witch hunt real or imagined as far as I am concerned

In contract law it is either black or white no grey areas

It turns out he did sign the contract but it was not compliant with Premier League rules and was returned to Cardiff for them to get the player to sign an amended one and he was therefore not registered

The plot thickens ?

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***MKHIBEE*** · 30-03-2019 06:06 AM

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it's just been announced the pilot wasn't qualified to fly at night. That would negate any insurance claim I would imagine.

***NORTHERNHIBBY*** · 30-03-2019 07:41 AM

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it's just been announced the pilot wasn't qualified to fly at night. That would negate any insurance claim I would imagine.

Apparently, he was colour blind.

***BILLYHIBS*** · 30-03-2019 07:51 AM

Who hired the pilot?

Willie McKay?

Why could he not get a normal safer flight like the rest of us?

***jeffers*** · 30-03-2019 07:59 AM

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Who hired the pilot?

Willie McKay?

Why could he not get a normal safer flight like the rest of us?

Did McKay not say he'd arranged for a pilot he'd used a number of times to fly the plane, but that he (the pilot) then arranged for David Ibbotson to take his place ? I don't know if it's been explained why the intended pilot didn't make the flight.

I think McKay was acting as the big man saying look I'll get you a private plane instead of flying commercial as Cardiff expected him to do.

***BILLYHIBS*** · 30-03-2019 08:24 AM

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Did McKay not say he'd arranged for a pilot he'd used a number of times to fly the plane, but that he (the pilot) then arranged for David Ibbotson to take his place ? I don't know if it's been explained why the intended pilot didn't make the flight.

I think McKay was acting as the big man saying look I'll get you a private plane instead of flying commercial as Cardiff expected him to do.

Just been on BBC News full investigation into the crash early next year

**Famous Fiver** · 30-03-2019 01:16 PM

The more we learn the more tragic it becomes.

So many questions.

Is the dead pilot going to carry the can for the whole thing?

It's going to take some unravelling and looks like it'll end in the courts.

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 30-03-2019 01:32 PM

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Just been on BBC News full investigation into the crash early next year

they're not hanging about eh

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The more we learn the more tragic it becomes.

So many questions.

Is the dead pilot going to carry the can for the whole thing?

It's going to take some unravelling and looks like it'll end in the courts.

now that wouldn't surprise me

**jgl07** · 30-03-2019 05:48 PM

So Willie McKay arranged a flight on a single engined plane at night during the winter. The pilot did not have a commercial licence and wasn’t even licensed to fly at night.

Cardiff’s insurers are not going to pay out because of the above irregularities. Hence Cardiff are trying to muddy the waters and claim that he had never signed. That can presumably be disproved by looking at the international clearance documentation.

Conclusions are:

1. Willie McKay is a sleazebag even when compared to football agents.

2. Vincent Tan remains the ultimate Bond villain amongst football club owners.

3. Neil Warnock is still Colin W*nker to me.

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 19-06-2019 06:16 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48694561

A man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter in relation to the death of Argentine footballer Emiliano Sala who died in a plane crash.
The striker, who had signed with Cardiff City, was killed in the crash along with pilot David Ibbotson.
A spokesperson for Dorset Police said a 64-year-old man from North Yorkshire had been arrested and released while investigations continue.

***Billy Whizz*** · 19-06-2019 06:18 PM

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48694561

A man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter in relation to the death of Argentine footballer Emiliano Sala who died in a plane crash.
The striker, who had signed with Cardiff City, was killed in the crash along with pilot David Ibbotson.
A spokesperson for Dorset Police said a 64-year-old man from North Yorkshire had been arrested and released while investigations continue.

Just saw that
Wonder what part the arrested person played in this?

***Malthibby*** · 19-06-2019 06:30 PM

Don't suppose Wullie McKay has become a 64 year old Yorkshireman?

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 19-06-2019 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

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Just saw that
Wonder what part the arrested person played in this?

i thought maybe at first it was Mckay but he's 60

helicopter maintenance man maybe ? no idea sorry

**~~The 90+2~~** · 19-06-2019 06:34 PM

**** seems like it’s about to hit the fan.

**~~EI255~~** · 19-06-2019 06:36 PM

If there's a plane crash and a fatality and someone is proven to have caused it, maliciously or not, then that someone usually always has to shoulder it legally.

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**~~EI255~~** · 19-06-2019 06:37 PM

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i thought maybe at first it was Mckay but he's 60

helicopter maintenance man maybe ? no idea sorry

It was a plane. Not a helicopter!

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***cabbageandribs1875*** · 19-06-2019 06:39 PM

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It was a plane. Not a helicopter!

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woops

***greenlad*** · 19-06-2019 06:40 PM

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Don't suppose Wullie McKay has become a 64 year old Yorkshireman?

As someone else said Willie McKay has just turned 60 (per Companies House) but does have a Doncaster address (which is South Yorkshire not North)

***Billy Whizz*** · 19-06-2019 06:41 PM

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As someone else said Willie McKay has just turned 60 (per Companies House) but does have a Doncaster address.

Doncaster is the democratic republic of South Yorkshire, not North Yorks
Even the airline owners are from the south of the country

***GreenLake*** · 19-06-2019 07:10 PM

Sad that no amount of punishment will change anything for Salah.

**Future17** · 19-06-2019 07:17 PM

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It was a plane. Not a helicopter!

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Probably why he did such a bad job.

**nellio** · 19-06-2019 08:43 PM

Talk on the Cardiff forum is that it could be the fella that owns the company that owned the plane.

Some brown stuff definitely about to hit the fan!

**~~EI255~~** · 19-06-2019 08:59 PM

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Talk on the Cardiff forum is that it could be the fella that owns the company that owned the plane.

Some brown stuff definitely about to hit the fan!

That would make sense for a prosecution.

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***Billy Whizz*** · 19-06-2019 09:37 PM

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Talk on the Cardiff forum is that it could be the fella that owns the company that owned the plane.

Some brown stuff definitely about to hit the fan!

Bit of confusion about who owns the plane
Had a look at 2 of the Company’s who possibly wines it, no one aged 64 years on the books

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.w...e-15885568.amp

***JimBHibees*** · 20-06-2019 06:51 AM

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Bit of confusion about who owns the plane
Had a look at 2 of the Company’s who possibly wines it, no one aged 64 years on the books

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.w...e-15885568.amp

it is the pilot that has been arrested