I remember years ago watching some American sport and how reliant the commentators were on stats. Every angle had a stat for it. At that time we never really used stats too much in our game. Over the last 2 or 3 years though the use of stats has increased dramatically over here. I noticed the amount of comments on the new manager thread using stats without regard to the different circumstances. So what are people's views on the upsurge of stats in our game?
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06-02-2019 09:01 PM #1
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06-02-2019 09:15 PM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
These guys analyse and compile stats for the head of recruitment.
This "new order" was implemented under Leeann Dempster and is seen as a "continuous" model, so that any new manager /coach arriving at ER will fit in seamlessly, with much of the donkey work done for him in terms of identifying players.
Underpinning this model is a financial structure with in-built limitations, including financial.
I would suggest that Neil Lennon was "frustrated" by the financial limitations of our club, as he did not get anywhere near the quality of player his ambition demanded, especially knowing he was losing McGinn, McGeouch and Allan and, further down the line - Efe Ambrose.Last edited by Hi Heid Yin; 06-02-2019 at 09:17 PM.
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I would suggest that our "behind the scenes" team are good at coming up with impressive stats and profiles on players, but have to bear in mind our budget and thus focus on players who are "up and coming" with "potential" rather than "established".
Mallan, for example, falls into the "potential" category.
He was signed in "hope" more than "expectation".
It's really hit or miss with players with so-called "potential".
During his time, Stubbsy got some "great players" through the door, but he/our club also signed a few duds along the way.
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06-02-2019 09:46 PM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Every man and his dog knows of Neil lennon's "frustrations" without me repeating them ad nauseum.
For me he was flawed, driven, eccentric, a loose-cannon, a maverick, a football purist, impetuous, articulate, analytical, out-spoken, charismatic, a hard task-master, demanding, entertaining, enthusiastic, a joker and a mischevious school boy with his airplane dance,
an instigator, a leader, one of footballs characters.
I could say so much more but I think this is enough to paint a picture and to give you an insight into what this Hibby thought of our ex-manager.Last edited by Hi Heid Yin; 07-02-2019 at 11:58 PM.
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06-02-2019 09:57 PM #10This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Our club might be able to identify how many crosses a certain player "averages" during a game or over a season, or how many assists he also made for a particular club - with all the machinations and circumstances surrounding that club that year.
Did the player contribute significantly while his team struggled in the relegation zone?
This might tell us more (or less) than if he contributed next to nothing in a team that was "coasting comfortably near the top of a particular league"
Stats have their use and effectiveness depending on the agenda of the person interpreting them.
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06-02-2019 10:16 PM #11
Stats are all well and good when you're recruiting players, but they count for nothing of the player is injured and unavailable.
Boyle, for example, has good stats for us but I'd out for the session.
I'm sure Porteous' stats would stack up against Hanlon or McGregor's this season but he's not available.
Stats aren't the problem this season, not having anything resembling a settled team and not having key players available is more of a factor.Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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06-02-2019 10:22 PM #12
Ha we are getting closer to the original question of whether stats are actually useful in football. They can be used in many ways depending on people's agendas but do people think they help.
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06-02-2019 10:26 PM #13
Moneyball is a fantastic film regarding stats being used in Baseball. Not a sport that interests me but even the film got me hooked.
Anyway, I think there is a place for them but football has too many variables compared to sports like Baseball I think. For instance they don't have an Andrew Dallas ;)
Liverpool tried it under Dalglish where they signed Adam, Downing and Andy Carroll. Something to do with free kick accuracy, cross completion and headers won.
It didn't work out too well for them...Last edited by Cameron1875; 06-02-2019 at 10:29 PM.
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06-02-2019 10:55 PM #14
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Stats are useful when the person who's examining them understands which to use.
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07-02-2019 02:39 AM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote"We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
"Romanov was like a breath of fresh air - laced with cyanide." Me.
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07-02-2019 11:11 PM #19
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The mean speed and accuracy of a medium-weight office chair bowled overarm from a standing start towards an attacking centre midfielder 8 metres away should also be taken into consideration.
Of course, there's a whole pile of factors other than statistics to consider (new managers won't have these stats, there may be extenuating circumstances outside of the manager's performance and the player wages affecting a team performance, etc etc).Last edited by Aim Here; 07-02-2019 at 11:13 PM.
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07-02-2019 11:37 PM #20
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8 wins in 25 is shocking
Lets hope for a good cup run and beating the yams and the the the rangers
Sadly we are bottom six
No pace
No real quality imo
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08-02-2019 12:03 AM #21
Interestingly, in yesterdays Evening News I see that our Steve Mallan made the SPL team of the season based on his "stats".
The stats were not made available, which did not help.
For all his critics, he must then be doing something right.
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08-02-2019 12:55 AM #22This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Example, Jorginho for Chelsea has done like 5 million passes this season with a ridiculous pass completion rate - HUZZAH!
Total Assists - 0! Boo!
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08-02-2019 07:19 AM #23This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
True although we didn’t sign even a similar type of player last summer.
We have now though.
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08-02-2019 07:28 AM #25This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You're right though, all clubs sign some good and bad players, or good players where it just doesn't work out. The transfer market is an inexact science and there are so many outside factors that influence how a player performs for the team it's always going to be the case. Unfortunately unlike Celtic and clubs in England we don't have the resources to just dump our duds and replace them, we need to try find a way to make the signings work for us which isn't always a quick fix.
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08-02-2019 10:10 AM #27
Goals scored v goals conceded in each game is the best stat of all, we might find the team that does best at this wins the league
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08-02-2019 10:19 AM #28
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