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    New transfer system v old transfer system

    I thought the current transfer system was introduced earlier, but seemingly it came in for the 2002/3 season.

    I realise that a lot of people won't have experienced the original system, I'm struggling to remember it properly myself, but for those who do, which system do you prefer?

    For those who aren't aware, it used to be that clubs could buy and sell players at any point throughout the year.

    Most of the time, signings came out of the blue, but bigger clubs could strengthen, and weaken opponents, at will.

    Personally, I like the current way of doing things. There's a real air of expectancy during the windows and TDD itself can be very exciting. (It can be bloody disappointing too, right enough!)

    I'd think that there are more hits on Hibs.net during January than any other month with people desperate for news.

    One more thing. I wonder who was the last player we signed under the old system ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    I thought the current transfer system was introduced earlier, but seemingly it came in for the 2002/3 season.

    I realise that a lot of people won't have experienced the original system, I'm struggling to remember it properly myself, but for those who do, which system do you prefer?

    For those who aren't aware, it used to be that clubs could buy and sell players at any point throughout the year.

    Most of the time, signings came out of the blue, but bigger clubs could strengthen, and weaken opponents, at will.

    Personally, I like the current way of doing things. There's a real air of expectancy during the windows and TDD itself can be very exciting. (It can be bloody disappointing too, right enough!)

    I'd think that there are more hits on Hibs.net during January than any other month with people desperate for news.

    One more thing. I wonder who was the last player we signed under the old system ...
    Not really in response to your question (the old way had its major downsides in regards to teams being able to poach any players that came out the blue and might cause them a problem) but I would like a change to the rules for being 'Cup Tied'.

    I believe in Europe the rule has changed slightly in that a player you purchase in Jan can play in Europe still, even if they played for another team in it. I think this should be the same for all competitions. Especially if the player you sign didnt play for the team, but merely made the match day squad and warmed the bench. That rule to me seems mental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    I thought the current transfer system was introduced earlier, but seemingly it came in for the 2002/3 season.

    I realise that a lot of people won't have experienced the original system, I'm struggling to remember it properly myself, but for those who do, which system do you prefer?

    For those who aren't aware, it used to be that clubs could buy and sell players at any point throughout the year.

    Most of the time, signings came out of the blue, but bigger clubs could strengthen, and weaken opponents, at will.

    Personally, I like the current way of doing things. There's a real air of expectancy during the windows and TDD itself can be very exciting. (It can be bloody disappointing too, right enough!)

    I'd think that there are more hits on Hibs.net during January than any other month with people desperate for news.

    One more thing. I wonder who was the last player we signed under the old system ...
    Quite liked the old days especially before the internet and forums. Remember going to Motherwell one midweek and only finding out at the game we had signed Andy Watson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    For those who aren't aware, it used to be that clubs could buy and sell players at any point throughout the year.
    It was up to March 31st only, to prevent players coming in and making a material difference in the latter stages of leagues and cups. That day was usually a bit busier than usual but certainly less frenzied than August and January now.

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    One more thing. I wonder who was the last player we signed under the old system ...
    Would guess it may have been one of Lillian Martin, Gary Caldwell or Jarkko Wiss, all signed by Sauzee in about February of the 01/02 season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Sauzee View Post
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    Quite liked the old days especially before the internet and forums. Remember going to Motherwell one midweek and only finding out at the game we had signed Andy Watson
    And he cost us 50,000 which was a lot of money back then ( itís a lot of money now).


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    Quote Originally Posted by greenlad View Post
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    It was up to March 31st only, to prevent players coming in and making a material difference in the latter stages of leagues and cups. That day was usually a bit busier than usual but certainly less frenzied than August and January now.
    There you go. I don't remember that being the case, but it makes sense.
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    Didnít Riordan sign a contract under the old system - it meant he couldnít leave us when he wanted to as his deal ended in October (ish)?

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    Would be good to see a ďwindowĒ introduced for managers as well

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    The transfer system changed drastically twice.

    First there was "Bosman" (1996?) which meant that players at the end of their contracts were free to sign for another club without a transfer fee. While the old system was ludicrous (a club could hold on to a players registration even though they weren't paying him any wages), it could be argued that the likes of Cummings & SJM would have stayed at Hibs at least a year longer or we would have probably received higher fees.

    Bosman has had a far bigger effect on the system than the introduction of transfer windows.

    One thing I think should be changed is the signing of pre-contract agreements. IMO this should only be permitted when the player's new club plays in a different league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs View Post
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    Didn’t Riordan sign a contract under the old system - it meant he couldn’t leave us when he wanted to as his deal ended in October (ish)?
    There was something like that. Also Celtic delayed the start of his contract until after his (23rd?) birthday, meaning that Hibs weren't eligible for compensation. From what I remember a fee was eventually agreed and he signed earlier.

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    In the old system we had a bumper day one January IIRC with Stuart Beedie ,Graham Mitchell, Billy Kirkwood, Dougie Bell and someone else who I forget all joining. The may even have made their debuts in the NY derby

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    In the old system we had a bumper day one January IIRC with Stuart Beedie ,Graham Mitchell, Billy Kirkwood, Dougie Bell and someone else who I forget all joining. The may even have made their debuts in the NY derby
    Same season Skol, but not all together.

    Beedie, Kirkwood, Caughey, Willie Irvine Mark 2, and Beastie McCluskey arrived at the start of 86-87 season (played in the infamous Souness gemme).

    Mitchell, Bell, and Tommy McIntyre were signed Christmas 87 (I think); Miller's first signings, debuted at Brockville if i recall correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skol View Post
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    In the old system we had a bumper day one January IIRC with Stuart Beedie ,Graham Mitchell, Billy Kirkwood, Dougie Bell and someone else who I forget all joining. The may even have made their debuts in the NY derby
    I might be wrong but I think Kirkwood, Beedie and Mark Caughey were all signed after the 1986 World Cup and made their debuts in the infamous first game of the season v Rangers where Souness was sent off

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideBurns View Post
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    Same season Skol, but not all together.

    Beedie, Kirkwood, Caughey, Willie Irvine Mark 2, and Beastie McCluskey arrived at the start of 86-87 season (played in the infamous Souness gemme).

    Mitchell, Bell, and Tommy McIntyre were signed Christmas 87 (I think); Miller's first signings, debuted at Brockville if i recall correctly.
    I thought it was a new year derby at ER too, but Iíll bow to your knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Whizz View Post
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    I thought it was a new year derby at ER too, but Iíll bow to your knowledge
    2-2 at Falkirk if I recall correctly ...

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    yes, I think I am mixing up two different times.

    Mark Caughey. OMG !I forgot all about him

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    I thought it was a new year derby at ER too, but Iíll bow to your knowledge
    I remember the game at Brockville, Billy, as the pitch was rock hard under freezing temperatures and we won 3-1; Bell scored a screamer. The atmosphere under that old shed was superb. Not absolutely certain it was their debuts, but fairly sure!

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    2-2 at Falkirk if I recall correctly ...
    The NY game v Hearts was 2-2, Falkirk was 3-1. I said December 87, meant 86 of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideBurns View Post
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    I remember the game at Brockville, Billy, as the pitch was rock hard under freezing temperatures and we won 3-1; Bell scored a screamer. The atmosphere under that old shed was superb. Not absolutely certain it was their debuts, but fairly sure!
    Ok, better memory than me😄

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    Ok, better memory than me😄
    That was just before I embarked on a long, committed drinking career. If the gemme had been two years later I widnae huv a scooby 🤣

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideBurns View Post
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    Same season Skol, but not all together.

    Beedie, Kirkwood, Caughey, Willie Irvine Mark 2, and Beastie McCluskey arrived at the start of 86-87 season (played in the infamous Souness gemme).

    Mitchell, Bell, and Tommy McIntyre were signed Christmas 87 (I think); Miller's first signings, debuted at Brockville if i recall correctly.
    I think you are correct and I'm sure the pitch was frozen solid and some players played in trainers? I was alot younger then so may have just made this up

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    I think you are correct and I'm sure the pitch was frozen solid and some players played in trainers? I was alot younger then so may have just made this up
    The pitch being frozen is definitely my memory; would never go ahead in those conditions nowadays! All 3 were good signings - obviously McIntyre & Mitch went on to become legends for the 91 League Cup win, but Bell was great to watch and linked well with Mickey Weir on the right. Just a pity he was at the wrong end of his career.

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    Current system is better in my opinion not perfect,but definitely better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Whizz View Post
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    I thought it was a new year derby at ER too, but Iíll bow to your knowledge
    Just to confirm Alex Miller signed Mitchell, McIntyre and Bell but iirc it was the 31st of December. Blackley had signed Beedie, Kirkwood, Caughey, Irvine and McCluskey in the pre season.

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    Been around for a long time so remember the old system well. Prefer the current system where we know any outstanding players will be with us until at least the next window after the end of January/August.

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