Too much hoofing/long balls

**~~BOB MARLEYS DUG~~** · 29-12-2018 07:00 PM

Sad to see this again, especially after how good our football was last season.

**Unseen work** · 29-12-2018 07:02 PM

This tactic is also why Kamberi is looking so poor imo.

On the odd occasion it is into his feet there is no one anywhere near him to link the play with

**~~BOB MARLEYS DUG~~** · 29-12-2018 07:03 PM

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This tactic is also why Kamberi is looking so poor imo.

On the odd occasion it is into his feet there is no one anywhere near him to link the play with

**MWHIBBIES** · 29-12-2018 07:03 PM

No one to take the ball from the defence. People used to criticize McGeouch and Fyvie for only playing short passes but that's exactly what we're missing. Fullbacks having to turn back. Central defenders hoofing it or passing between themselves. Fyvie would walk into this side. He's much better than Mallan. Ridiculous that he was allowed to go for free because he didn't sign quick enough but we waited for Milligan who is hopeless.

**Cod Boy** · 29-12-2018 07:03 PM

Berra and his partner had cigars out tonight easy game for them.

***Heisenberg*** · 29-12-2018 07:04 PM

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Berra and his partner had cigars out tonight easy game for them.

Totally played into their hands. Lennon hasn’t a clue.

**Ozyhibby** · 29-12-2018 07:05 PM

It’s the diagonal crosses from deep that annoyed me most. The Hearts defence must have thought it’s was their lucky day. They can defend that all day.
Really missed Boyle’s ability to get behind.

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**hibsbollah** · 29-12-2018 07:07 PM

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It’s the diagonal crosses from deep that annoyed me most. The Hearts defence must have thought it’s was their lucky day. They can defend that all day.
Really missed Boyle’s ability to get behind.

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We hoofed it again and again and Craig Leveins hertz passed it better than us. That should never happen.

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 29-12-2018 07:07 PM

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This tactic is also why Kamberi is looking so poor imo.

On the odd occasion it is into his feet there is no one anywhere near him to link the play with

**A Hi-Bee** · 29-12-2018 07:11 PM

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This tactic is also why Kamberi is looking so poor imo.

On the odd occasion it is into his feet there is no one anywhere near him to link the play with

Hear,hear it must be pretty frustrating for him although he could show a bit more application same as last season.

**Thegreenside** · 29-12-2018 07:13 PM

See thread ‘midfield’ strikers can do nothing with anyone in be midfield, zero creation, zero fight

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 29-12-2018 07:21 PM

We just do not have a style of play. A midfield who cant knock it about with enough end product to play through them and a forward line who cant deal with long balls.

Weve far too many players who are more than happy to just drift around on the periphary of the game.

***NORTHERNHIBBY*** · 29-12-2018 07:26 PM

The odd hoof up the park is a decent option but only to a forward who can play off it or if there is a chance for a second ball. Almost every ball came straight back out. Pointless.

***RIP*** · 01-01-2019 04:16 PM

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We hoofed it again and again and Craig Leveins hertz passed it better than us. That should never happen.

Lennon persists with this mindless tactic and then looks to blame talented young strikers who need ball to feet.

I was always a big fan of Neil until he started to shirk responsibility and accuse Kamberi, Shaw and McLaren of not trying.

A lack of leadership and accountability on the part of the manager.

**NAE NOOKIE** · 01-01-2019 04:30 PM

I agree with the OP ….. But as so many others have said its what you end up limited to when you cant play through midfield or get round the back, IMO the loss of Boyle and Agyepong for the Hearts game absolutely handed them a huge bonus.

For all of that, we did manage to lump the ball into the Hearts box time and again, especially in the 2nd half and hoofball or not you would have hoped that on at least a few of those occasions a couple of strikers as tall as Kamberi and Shaw would have been able to get a bloomin' header on goal.

**~~The_Horde~~** · 01-01-2019 05:00 PM

Getting the ball forward is necessary at times, particularly when teams like Hearts just sit in and frustrate. Problem is it's not sticking when we do.

**~~IGRIGI~~** · 01-01-2019 05:08 PM

I've never understood why we do it especially against Hearts.

Berra and co won't have an easier time, it's kindergarten work for them especially up against Kamberi who either can't or won't jump.

**Shrekko** · 01-01-2019 05:30 PM

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I've never understood why we do it especially against Hearts.

Berra and co won't have an easier time, it's kindergarten work for them especially up against Kamberi who either can't or won't jump.

Happens in every derby- pace is so frantic and players scared to make mistakes so take the easy option.

The Hibs playing hoof ball is becoming a Hibs.net myth tho. We really don’t. Plenty decent balls played up to the strikers this season - a lot of weak hold
up play though.

And when we do... it’s not too much to ask anybody to at least try and compete for a ball.

**~~The 90+2~~** · 01-01-2019 05:31 PM

Charlie Adam slow as **** but can ping a pass would be a good option in the quarterback role.

**~~The 90+2~~** · 01-01-2019 05:32 PM

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Happens in every derby- pace is so frantic and players scared to make mistakes so take the easy option.

The Hibs playing hoof ball is becoming a Hibs.net myth tho. We really don’t. Plenty decent balls played up to the strikers this season - a lot of weak hold
up play though.

And when we do... it’s not too much to ask anybody to at least try and compete for a ball.

I’m sure their goal came from Ambrose ****ting it, hitting it out the pitch they took the throw in hoof up to that boy and we’re behind.

Saying that even against the huns when they stood off us at the best of times there was a complete lack of ideas.

**GreenPJ** · 01-01-2019 05:33 PM

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This tactic is also why Kamberi is looking so poor imo.

On the odd occasion it is into his feet there is no one anywhere near him to link the play with

Kamberi might not be as suited at taking the ball back to goal or trying to compete with physical centre half’s but that is no excuse for not putting a 100% effort. He is currently lazy and when the ball isn’t at him he makes no attempt to get involved. Shaw whilst also not suited to trying to win and hold the back up was trying very hard in the derby to get involved.

**~~The 90+2~~** · 01-01-2019 05:36 PM

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Kamberi might not be as suited at taking the ball back to goal or trying to compete with physical centre half’s but that is no excuse for not putting a 100% effort. He is currently lazy and when the ball isn’t at him he makes no attempt to get involved. Shaw whilst also not suited to trying to win and hold the back up was trying very hard in the derby to get involved.

The rest of the midfield also are lazy then because they do nothing but pass it back and then get Efe usually to punt it. That’s when they are failing to track opponents midfielders making runs to the end of our box.

**hibsbollah** · 01-01-2019 05:39 PM

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The rest of the midfield also are lazy then because they do nothing but pass it back and then get Efe usually to punt it. That’s when they are failing to track opponents midfielders making runs to the end of our box.

I think 'lazy' is the most overused criticism in football. If a player is passing it backwards instead of forwards, not taking players on or resorting to long balls, all things we are guilty of, it's more likely to be down to lack of confidence than laziness .

**~~IDHibs~~** · 01-01-2019 06:02 PM

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No one to take the ball from the defence. People used to criticize McGeouch and Fyvie for only playing short passes but that's exactly what we're missing. Fullbacks having to turn back. Central defenders hoofing it or passing between themselves. Fyvie would walk into this side. He's much better than Mallan. Ridiculous that he was allowed to go for free because he didn't sign quick enough but we waited for Milligan who is hopeless.

Definitely. Said it at the time that we should have never have let him leave. It's a sad day when the Arabs can offer a Hibs legend better terms than we were prepared to offer. Parsimonious penny pinching shortsightedness at which Hibs excel.

***Brightside*** · 01-01-2019 06:03 PM

We need a new Dylan if we want to build from the back again.

**~~The 90+2~~** · 01-01-2019 06:18 PM

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I think 'lazy' is the most overused criticism in football. If a player is passing it backwards instead of forwards, not taking players on or resorting to long balls, all things we are guilty of, it's more likely to be down to lack of confidence than laziness .

Was kind of the point I was making branding Flo’ lazy, Lazily 👍

**~~IDHibs~~** · 01-01-2019 06:20 PM

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The rest of the midfield also are lazy then because they do nothing but pass it back and then get Efe usually to punt it. That’s when they are failing to track opponents midfielders making runs to the end of our box.

Efe and "punt it" in the same sentence? aye right. Point taken about the midfield though, they do appear lazy.

**hibsbollah** · 01-01-2019 06:22 PM

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Was kind of the point I was making branding Flo’ lazy, Lazily 👍

I'm definitely more of a Lennon fan than a Lennon critic. I do think one criticism that could be levelled at his team is they are scared to try creative things and to make mistakes. I don't know if that's down to him, but it's not unrealistic to imagine that the players are intimidated by him a bit and that could be influencing their performances.

***CockneyRebel*** · 01-01-2019 06:47 PM

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Definitely. Said it at the time that we should have never have let him leave. It's a sad day when the Arabs can offer a Hibs legend better terms than we were prepared to offer. Parsimonious penny pinching shortsightedness at which Hibs excel.

He ended up at United bececause our offer was withdrawn as he took too long to decide. We were not outbid and I'm sure he will be on less money there - why would they offer him a bigger wage when he was unemployed?