Rugby

[cabbageandribs1875]

Glasgow move up to 2nd winning 26-12

Edinburgh 5th


i see Alun Wyn Jones went off after 66 mins to a standing ovation for Toulon earlier in his last appearance playing, applauded off by both sides in a 30-27 win at Clermont, most capped player ever in a 19 year career.

[cabbageandribs1875]

final world rankings for 2023 ZealandSpringboks on world rankings summit as final top 20 confirmed for 2023 (msn.com) 89.80
4 France 87.81
5 England 85.46
6 Scotland 83.43
7 Argentina 80.68
8 Wales 80.64
9 Australia 77.48
10 Fiji 76.38
11 Italy 75.93
12 Japan 74.27
13 Portugal 72.78
14 Georgia 72.68
15 Samoa 72.23
16 Tonga 71.57
17 (18) USA 67.94
18 (17) Uruguay 67.39
19 (20) Romania 63.28
20 (19) Spain 62.86

[cabbageandribs1875]

Blair Kinghorn set to leave Edinburgh for Toulose

[wookie70]

Very poor performance from Edinburgh tonight.

[Golden Bear]

49250 watching Leinster v Munster tonight. It all helps to pay their high wages and goes some way to explain why the Irish teams are so successful. Munster 10-0 up after 15mins.

[Scorrie]

Glasgow fighting back well though their decision making on the pitch is questionable

[Golden Bear]

Warriors win 33-20 against Ulster. A gritty victory if ever there was at what looked like a packed out Scotstoun.

[cabbageandribs1875]

looked like Glasgow were in for a right hammering after just 12 mins and 14 points down, great comeback and nice seeing them sit top at least until next weekend anyway

i didn't realise Ulster had signed Kitshoff


they're in for a heck of a toughie though next friday at Munster and i doubt Edinburgh will get anything in Ulster the following day

[cabbageandribs1875]

Edinburgh win 24-27 but my what a mess at the end allowing Ulster to get the bonus points, a line-out with just 10 seconds remaining and all they have to do is secure and kick it out, instead Mcburny tosses it squint giving it to Ulster instead, Ulster then get another Try. Edinburgh leading 27-12 on 73 mins and they let in two tries + a con.



Munster 40 Glasgow 29 from last night



oh my Connaught just done the exact same at home to Leinster, leading at Home 22-19 with just seconds remaining and they throw a squint line-out which Leinster then go on and score a winning try to win 24-22

[Greenbeard]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67626162
Hmmmm....no doubt there are issues to be addressed, some of which are generic game issues rather than SRU issues, but this white knight aura from the new Chair sounds a bit ingratiating and whiffy. Reminds me of the start of the Munro/McKie era, and their spoutings about how they were going to "drive a train through this place", basically telling all involved you've been ***** and we're here to sort your mess.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67626162
Hmmmm....no doubt there are issues to be addressed, some of which are generic game issues rather than SRU issues, but this white knight aura from the new Chair sounds a bit ingratiating and whiffy. Reminds me of the start of the Munro/McKie era, and their spoutings about how they were going to "drive a train through this place", basically telling all involved you've been ***** and we're here to sort your mess.

Someone close to Edinburgh Rugby told me the club is far from secure as an ongoing concern. The dearth of cash in the game here seems to be a major factor, although surely the SRU makes a hefty amount from the Murrayfield internationals which are always very well attended these days?

[McD]

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Someone close to Edinburgh Rugby told me the club is far from secure as an ongoing concern. The dearth of cash in the game here seems to be a major factor, although surely the SRU makes a hefty amount from the Murrayfield internationals which are always very well attended these days?

Reading that article, it says the SRU posted a 10 million loss for this year

[weecounty hibby]

Club rugby in Scotland is ****ed. Dodson will wander off into the sunset with a huge pension on top of his huge salary because he had a set of KPIs that didn't even touch on club rugby. Fill Murrayfield, reducw the iverall debt, have Scotland competing in six nations. That's it. To hell with the grass roots clubs who have kept Scottish rugby going for years. There are traditionally big clubs who can't even get a 2nd XV out regularly on a Saturday anymore but very little effort has gone into sorting that out. In my area at age groups we had Alloa, Hillfoots, Bannockburn, Grangemouth and Falkirk who could all field U 13, 14, 16 and 18s until fairly recently. Then some started to struggle. So the wisdom was to create one team out of 5 clubs and call them the Kelpies and based in Falkirk. That was the easy and cheap option rather than trying to help those five clubs grow their youth set up. So we lost five sets of teams and gained one. Guess what now the Kelpies can't get teams out as there is no identity and the kids that do want to play want to play for their local teams. Shambles and the upper echelons of the SRU are a joke

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Someone close to Edinburgh Rugby told me the club is far from secure as an ongoing concern. The dearth of cash in the game here seems to be a major factor, although surely the SRU makes a hefty amount from the Murrayfield internationals which are always very well attended these days?

The pro teams each cost in excess of 10m per year to run. They both have over 100 Pro players, many of whom dont play regularly and are basically cover for injuries or when guys are away on international duty. Again a badly managed set up from the start as is the super six.

[Greenbeard]

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Reading that article, it says the SRU posted a 10 million loss for this year

On top of which this current financial year has the hugely significant hit of there being no Autumn Tests in RWC year. The warm up game income will fall well short of what has become pretty close to three sell-out crowds.

[McD]

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On top of which this current financial year has the hugely significant hit of there being no Autumn Tests in RWC year. The warm up game income will fall well short of what has become pretty close to three sell-out crowds.

Yeah that’s a good point. The article also points out that the previous year had 3 home 6 nations matches, plus a number of high profile concerts. Doesn’t look great if that’s all happened and still a 10 million loss, and as you say, in a tougher year just now

[Greenbeard]

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Club rugby in Scotland is ****ed. Dodson will wander off into the sunset with a huge pension on top of his huge salary because he had a set of KPIs that didn't even touch on club rugby. Fill Murrayfield, reducw the iverall debt, have Scotland competing in six nations. That's it. To hell with the grass roots clubs who have kept Scottish rugby going for years. There are traditionally big clubs who can't even get a 2nd XV out regularly on a Saturday anymore but very little effort has gone into sorting that out. In my area at age groups we had Alloa, Hillfoots, Bannockburn, Grangemouth and Falkirk who could all field U 13, 14, 16 and 18s until fairly recently. Then some started to struggle. So the wisdom was to create one team out of 5 clubs and call them the Kelpies and based in Falkirk. That was the easy and cheap option rather than trying to help those five clubs grow their youth set up. So we lost five sets of teams and gained one. Guess what now the Kelpies can't get teams out as there is no identity and the kids that do want to play want to play for their local teams. Shambles and the upper echelons of the SRU are a joke

I think you mean competitive. Scotland are competing in the 6 Nations regardless of how good or crap they are, but that's another argument entirely.
He'll no doubt gladly take some credit for Scotland being more competitive these days but that is absolutely hee-haw to do with Dodson.

[JimBHibees]

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Yeah that’s a good point. The article also points out that the previous year had 3 home 6 nations matches, plus a number of high profile concerts. Doesn’t look great if that’s all happened and still a 10 million loss, and as you say, in a tougher year just now

Did they not just build the Hive i think it is called. Assume that would have been expensive

[McD]

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Did they not just build the Hive i think it is called. Assume that would have been expensive

There a poster on here who goes regularly to Edinburgh matches, I thought it was built a couple of years ago, although could be wrong on that, and also they could still be paying for it

[Sylar]

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There a poster on here who goes regularly to Edinburgh matches, I thought it was built a couple of years ago, although could be wrong on that, and also they could still be paying for it

You might mean me? I'm a ST holder.

They built mini-Murray about 3 years ago now (this is our third season playing in it). It's a bit of a 'low-cost' facility, but not entirely inexpensive - can't remember the exact cost though.

[McD]

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You might mean me? I'm a ST holder.

They built mini-Murray about 3 years ago now (this is our third season playing in it). It's a bit of a 'low-cost' facility, but not entirely inexpensive - can't remember the exact cost though.

Yeah probably was meaning you mate


On the wider point, the SRU seem to have been struggling financially for quite a few years now, not really sure how they can get better at bringing in more income, there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of sponsorship opportunities out there for them, is there anything else they can make use of Murrayfield to generate more income? Dunno

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Yeah probably was meaning you mate


On the wider point, the SRU seem to have been struggling financially for quite a few years now, not really sure how they can get better at bringing in more income, there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of sponsorship opportunities out there for them, is there anything else they can make use of Murrayfield to generate more income? Dunno

I don't know the exact situation but from the many moans I hear, the financial problems seem to be exacerbated due to the extravagant salaries which are paid to the top executives.

[McD]

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I don't know the exact situation but from the many moans I hear, the financial problems seem to be exacerbated due to the extravagant salaries which are paid to the top executives.

Would any of us be surprised if that is the case…

[heretoday]

They're hyping up the match between Edinburgh and Glasgow, calling it the oldest derby in rugby. Have I missed something here?

[superfurryhibby]

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They're hyping up the match between Edinburgh and Glasgow, calling it the oldest derby in rugby. Have I missed something here?

It is, isn’t it? At least the oldest inter district fixture.

[Golden Bear]

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It is, isn’t it? At least the oldest inter district fixture.

Correct - hence the trophy for the winners being named as the 1872 cup. It's awarded to the victor on aggregate points - normally over the two designated games. After last night's 22-10 win over Edinburgh, Glasgow Warriors go in to next Saturday's second leg at Murrayfield with a 12 point advantage.

[Greenbeard]

I see Stuart Hogg has been awarded an MBE. I'm sure Mrs Hogg will be delighted for him.
What does MBE stand for again?

[Golden Bear]

Over 37000 at murrayfield today for the second leg of the inter City Cup between Edinburgh Rugby and Glasgow Warriors.

That's an impressive crowd.

[Just_Jimmy]

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I see Stuart Hogg has been awarded an MBE. I'm sure Mrs Hogg will be delighted for him.
What does MBE stand for again?

Member of the order of the British Empire.

I assume its for services to rugby and not to do with his personal life?

Well done to Hogg. He was a top player and his personal life is nothing to do with, and of no interest to me.

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JPR Williams has passed away. A real rugby icon from my childhood.