Summer transfer thread

[kevinc]

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De La Cruz

Forgot about him!

[500miles]

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We absolutely need Allan. With 2 quality forwards in the side they will thrive on the balls Allan provides.
I think Mallan is a different player. I think he is actually a mcgeough upgrade. A Dylan who can take a set piece.
Would love to see an Allan/Mallan combo.

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Mallan so far seems incapable of tracking his man. He's not a Mcgeouch type. He's creative and deadly at set pieces.

[The_Horde]

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Would that include the lad Tsibola coming in the other direction?

Hope not. He struggled at Killie IIRC

[madhatter]

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Mallan so far seems incapable of tracking his man. He's not a Mcgeouch type. He's creative and deadly at set pieces.

Dylan also took control over games. Not seen that from Mallan yet. Mallan is a good player and is great on set pieces but Dylan for me is still the better player. Should be though, he’s slightly older and has more experience.

[snooky]

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Celtic will be back with an offer I guarantee it

You snooze - you lose.

They've had their chance - and more.

[500miles]

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Hope not. He struggled at Killie IIRC

Injured at Killie for most of his 4 months there I think.

[Diclonius]

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Celtic will be back with an offer I guarantee it

"Oh ****, Villa have bid your asking price?! Uhm okay.. How about £2.75M (£1M up front, the rest in monthly installments of £5000 until 2047), Scott Allan (valued at £1M), some 17 year old on loan for six months (but no longer, we might need him back okay), a green and white bar scarf and an honourary membership of The Celtic Club. If you reject it you're just bitter."

[RyeSloan]

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Dylan also took control over games. Not seen that from Mallan yet. Mallan is a good player and is great on set pieces but Dylan for me is still the better player. Should be though, he’s slightly older and has more experience.

I’ve actually no idea where Mallan’s best position is yet.

My memory may be playing tricks but I can’t remember Dylan playing the Dylan role for the first year or two at Hibs. I swear I can even remember him playing in the Allan role at times!

So maybe Mallan is the new Dylan but he’s just not settled into the Dylan role yet.

Aha it’s soooo annoying when player names are used for roles / positions 🤪. I blame Matty Jack

[The_Horde]

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Injured at Killie for most of his 4 months there I think.

Played 12 games. That's only 2 games less than Flo played for us in the same time.

[Ozyhibby]

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I’ve actually no idea where Mallan’s best position is yet.

My memory may be playing tricks but I can’t remember Dylan playing the Dylan role for the first year or two at Hibs. I swear I can even remember him playing in the Allan role at times!

So maybe Mallan is the new Dylan but he’s just not settled into the Dylan role yet.

Aha it’s soooo annoying when player names are used for roles / positions 🤪. I blame Matty Jack

Dylan only really played holding mid this season. Previously Fyvie and Bartley had done it and Dylan was mostly injured anyway.


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[bookert]

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I'm not convinced we need Allan, or he's our main priority as i think Mallan can do this job. Its a defensive midfielder who's got a bit more about him than Marv, someone maybe younger and more mobile who can move the ball on a little quicker.

I agree with this.

[221000]

Could we now afford the guy Jones at Killie? I know he's not a direct replacement for SJM but he looks a real prospect and creates and scores goals.

[jacomo]

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I don't disagree with what you're saying but events on the pitch can have a great effect on our club, both playing wise & economically. In the 2 full seasons since 21/5/16 we've played 37 league games at home & our average attendance was approx 7,500 more than in 2015/16 season. Based on £20 a head that works out roughly at an extra £5.5m we have taken through the gates in those 2 seasons. Too often we've taken the short term view instead of looking at long term benefits. Selling GOC outside our transfer window when we were in a cup semi final versus them is a perfect illustration of that. If we had won that game we were in a final against Gretna & just possibly we could have been in our current euphoric, cup winning state 10 years earlier with all the attendant benefits.

True but we were in a financial mess at the time and - unlike our neighbours - determined to pay our debts.

Plus Garry fancied a Ferrari.

[RyeSloan]

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Dylan only really played holding mid this season. Previously Fyvie and Bartley had done it and Dylan was mostly injured anyway.


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Aha so I wasn’t going insane! All this Dylan role chat and how essential is is to get a direct replacement (every match thread would see a ‘but we still need a Dylan type’ comment or 50!) had started to convince me that somehow I was wrong to not remember him playing there that much previously! 🤪

[madhatter]

Is Kamara not the best fit in terms of age and ability? Not sure how much Dundee would be looking for him though...

[Hibeesmad]

So McGinn to Villa...

Our former manager Colin Calderwood is assistant manager there.

Maybe there was some truth in this theory after all

[The Leith Dutch]

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I agree, need a midfield grafter to drive us forward.

I think we need both but Allan is absolutely key for me (or a player that does what he does for us which will be very, very difficult).
Scott Allan is the guy who picks the passes that open defenses and turn those irritating draws into 3 points.

He also brings the players around him up a notch by how he manages space.

Finally, **** me if a discussion about actual football and transfers hasn't broken out.
And on the bloody transfer page too.
Score!

[Heisenberg]

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Is Kamara not the best fit in terms of age and ability? Not sure how much Dundee would be looking for him though...

Kamara is quality but won’t come cheap i imagine. Also had a few Championship teams interested in him this summer.

[dmc1875]

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Kamara is quality but won’t come cheap i imagine. Also had a few Championship teams interested in him this summer.

Can’t imagine we would have any chance to sign him

[madhatter]

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I think we need both but Allan is absolutely key for me (or a player that does what he does for us which will be very, very difficult).
Scott Allan is the guy who picks the passes that open defenses and turn those irritating draws into 3 points.

He also brings the players around him up a notch by how he manages space.

Finally, **** me if a discussion about actual football and transfers hasn't broken out.
And on the bloody transfer page too.
Score!

Key enough to give Celtic £1m when they offered £2m for McGinn? Personally I think not, McGinn is our best player so we sensibly held out for best offer. Allan to Celtic isn’t even good enough to be a bench warmer, how he can possibly be half the value of McGinn is beyond me...Give Celtic no money.

McGinn could go to the very top, Allan won’t, it’s only ever really clicked for Allan at Hibs.

[The Leith Dutch]

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Don’t really see why it should be, if they were offering the same as Villa but we knocked them back out of principle then there could be an issue. It sounds like Villa have offered around double what Celtic were offering so I’m sure they’ll understand why we had to accept that offer.

This.

Most of this is business and not emotional stuff.

Celtic will sell to us if we meet their valuation much as we'll sell to them if they meet our valuation.
Those valuations will fluctuate with circumstance e.g. McGinn being valued at more if EPL clubs are offering 3, 4 or even 5 million and Allan will be valued at more if we have money from a transfer.

If we got 4.5m from Villa and banked 3m (fag packet maths and not taking into account all the details) and then Celtic asked for 1m for Allan I'd probably pay it. He's not worth that on the open market but we'd have Allan, roughly the same money still in the bank that Celtic offered for McGinn and SJM wouldn't be at Celtic. That ticks a lot of boxes for me.

End of the day I couldn't give a monkey's about what we get in and pay out for players (assuming we're financially stable) as long as there's a good Hibs team to watch on the park.

[Jack Hackett]

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I think we need both but Allan is absolutely key for me (or a player that does what he does for us which will be very, very difficult).
Scott Allan is the guy who picks the passes that open defenses and turn those irritating draws into 3 points.

He also brings the players around him up a notch by how he manages space.

Finally, **** me if a discussion about actual football and transfers hasn't broken out.
And on the bloody transfer page too.
Score!

He's also the guy who's a joy to watch. He's an entertainer, something we aspire to at Easter Road.

I bet he's gagging to team up with Flo and Mac again. A full season of that trio would get me off the viagra

[The Leith Dutch]

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Key enough to give Celtic £1m when they offered £2m for McGinn? Personally I think not, McGinn is our best player so we sensibly held out for best offer. Allan to Celtic isn’t even good enough to be a bench warmer, how he can possibly be half the value of McGinn is beyond me...Give Celtic no money.

McGinn could go to the very top, Allan won’t, it’s only ever really clicked for Allan at Hibs.

Financially you're bang on. He's not worth £1m.

But it's about what Allan gives us on the park and for me it would be an exceptional piece of scouting if we spent £1m on a player and got what Allan gives us.

End of the day the point for me is not to try to beat Celtic at the money side in transactions that are pocket change to them (which is not to say that it doesn't irk my pride). The point is to get the best Hibs team on the pitch and I'd swallow a ****ty transaction if that was the result. The option of selling to England for more and then buying Allan at £1m is better for me.

Opinions eh?

[Franck Stanton]

Heard a wee rumour at the game on Sun, from someone who is well connected to coaching staff, that we have tabled an offer for SA. £250k up front with same again in January. I am not itk by any stretch of the imagination, just passing on what I was told

[madhatter]

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This.

Most of this is business and not emotional stuff.

Celtic will sell to us if we meet their valuation much as we'll sell to them if they meet our valuation.
Those valuations will fluctuate with circumstance e.g. McGinn being valued at more if EPL clubs are offering 3, 4 or even 5 million and Allan will be valued at more if we have money from a transfer.

If we got 4.5m from Villa and banked 3m (fag packet maths and not taking into account all the details) and then Celtic asked for 1m for Allan I'd probably pay it. He's not worth that on the open market but we'd have Allan, roughly the same money still in the bank that Celtic offered for McGinn and SJM wouldn't be at Celtic. That ticks a lot of boxes for me.

End of the day I couldn't give a monkey's about what we get in and pay out for players (assuming we're financially stable) as long as there's a good Hibs team to watch on the park.

Ignoring Celtic’s horrible attempt to get McGinn, I would be very unhappy for us to sign Allan for more than Celtic paid to sign him from us. Allan was invaluable to us (granted we had a few problems with him) and he’s deadweight to them...

Scott Allan is not that critical to us, he is a great entertainer but let’s not allow Celtic to exaggerate his worth due to our desire to get him back. They’ll push the price up, if they don’t then many of their fans will be annoyed due to the McGinn situation. They will make it difficult for us, that is a guarantee.

[Nevi_SOL]

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Financially you're bang on. He's not worth £1m.

But it's about what Allan gives us on the park and for me it would be an exceptional piece of scouting if we spent £1m on a player and got what Allan gives us.

End of the day the point for me is not to try to beat Celtic at the money side in transactions that are pocket change to them (which is not to say that it doesn't irk my pride). The point is to get the best Hibs team on the pitch and I'd swallow a ****ty transaction if that was the result. The option of selling to England for more and then buying Allan at £1m is better for me.

Opinions eh?

I agree with this as I think Hibs won’t be stupid enough not too have put a sell on fee in there as well so would recoup the Allan fee alone there

[jeffers]

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Ignoring Celtic’s horrible attempt to get McGinn, I would be very unhappy for us to sign Allan for more than Celtic paid to sign him from us. Allan was invaluable to us (granted we had a few problems with him) and he’s deadweight to them...

Scott Allan is not that critical to us, he is a great entertainer but let’s not allow Celtic to exaggerate his worth due to our desire to get him back. They’ll push the price up, if they don’t then many of their fans will be annoyed due to the McGinn situation. They will make it difficult for us, that is a guarantee.

Totally disagree, he creates chances and sees a pass that few do, he's far more than a great entertainer.

[madhatter]

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Financially you're bang on. He's not worth £1m.

But it's about what Allan gives us on the park and for me it would be an exceptional piece of scouting if we spent £1m on a player and got what Allan gives us.

End of the day the point for me is not to try to beat Celtic at the money side in transactions that are pocket change to them (which is not to say that it doesn't irk my pride). The point is to get the best Hibs team on the pitch and I'd swallow a ****ty transaction if that was the result. The option of selling to England for more and then buying Allan at £1m is better for me.

Opinions eh?

Fully understand where you are coming from but personally it irks me that we could potentially be paying Celtic more to get him back than they paid to us when he was on top form...

I’d rather wait, we got McGinn for virtually nothing (sell-on clause excluded) and I’d say he’s been equally entertaining for other reasons. We do not need to be held to ransom by Celtic to get a creative midfielder.

Hibs don’t get a lot of money through transfers, the thought of throwing £1m of our biggest transfer (in recent times) to Celtic sickens me.

[The Leith Dutch]

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Ignoring Celtic’s horrible attempt to get McGinn, I would be very unhappy for us to sign Allan for more than Celtic paid to sign him from us. Allan was invaluable to us (granted we had a few problems with him) and he’s deadweight to them...

Scott Allan is not that critical to us, he is a great entertainer but let’s not allow Celtic to exaggerate his worth due to our desire to get him back. They’ll push the price up, if they don’t then many of their fans will be annoyed due to the McGinn situation. They will make it difficult for us, that is a guarantee.

All I'm saying is we shouldn't let petty bull**** about whether Celtic have taken the piss or got one over on us affect the cold, hard judgement of who we need on the pitch. If you don't agree Allan is all that then fair enough - but for me he's the crucial piece of the jigsaw but that's opinions again :)

[calumhibee1]

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Financially you're bang on. He's not worth £1m.

But it's about what Allan gives us on the park and for me it would be an exceptional piece of scouting if we spent £1m on a player and got what Allan gives us.

End of the day the point for me is not to try to beat Celtic at the money side in transactions that are pocket change to them (which is not to say that it doesn't irk my pride). The point is to get the best Hibs team on the pitch and I'd swallow a ****ty transaction if that was the result. The option of selling to England for more and then buying Allan at £1m is better for me.

Opinions eh?

This is the way I look at Allan. In the grand scheme of things, his worth should probably be really low. He's had 1 and a half good seasons in his whole career and he's now 26. He's bombed nearly everywhere he's went.

Yet like you said, once you put Allan in a Hibs shirt, his performances are that of a multi million pound player. That's all that really matters at the end of the day, what he does at Hibs. It's a strange situation cause I can't think of any other player like him in that regard.