Sky - Lack of Respect

[HibsNutter]

How long will it be before the SPFL cuts ties with this lot?

Watching The Debate there, listening to patronising chat wherein Dennis Wise actually said "there are only two teams in Scotland". This, after chatting about Gerrard/Rangers and how they "only need to catch Celtic", despite being level with us and behind Aberdeen.

Couple this with the general lack of punditry knowledge about Scottish football, funny lad Jeff Stelling calling Raith Rovers "Roath Ravers" every week (Banter!) and the complete lack of effort into the build up for even the biggest games. Contrast this with BT Sport, who actually make an effort to promote the game up here.

Surely the pittance in revenue they provide is not worth it considering the constant downplaying? **** them.

[lord bunberry]

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How long will it be before the SPFL cuts ties with this lot?

Watching The Debate there, listening to patronising chat wherein Dennis Wise actually said "there are only two teams in Scotland". This, after chatting about Gerrard/Rangers and how they "only need to catch Celtic", despite being level with us and behind Aberdeen.

Couple this with the general lack of punditry knowledge about Scottish football, funny lad Jeff Stelling calling them Raith Rovers "Roath Ravers" every week (Banter!) and the complete lack of effort into the build up for even the biggest games. Contrast this with BT Sport, who actually make an effort to promote the game up here.

Surely the pittance in revenue they provide is not worth it considering the constant downplaying? **** them.

As Luke Shanley says though Sky do at least talk about Scottish football. Most of it I agree doesn’t really show it in a great light. BT’s match coverage is so much better, but other than that we don’t get a mention. I just wish we could start talking up our game and making it more attractive to broadcasters.

[monktonharp]

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How long will it be before the SPFL cuts ties with this lot?

Watching The Debate there, listening to patronising chat wherein Dennis Wise actually said "there are only two teams in Scotland". This, after chatting about Gerrard/Rangers and how they "only need to catch Celtic", despite being level with us and behind Aberdeen.

Couple this with the general lack of punditry knowledge about Scottish football, funny lad Jeff Stelling calling them Raith Rovers "Roath Ravers" every week (Banter!) and the complete lack of effort into the build up for even the biggest games. Contrast this with BT Sport, who actually make an effort to promote the game up here.

Surely the pittance in revenue they provide is not worth it considering the constant downplaying? **** them.

stopped buying it 2 years ago. cant stand most of their commentators or pundits, and hate how they call the shots for game times etc.

[LancsHibs]

Didn’t see this ‘debate’ but yes Sky Sports is rubbish and Dennis Wise is a wee fud

[KWJ]

My thinking when I hear the arguement that the broadcasters demand 4 OF games a season is that surely 2 would be worth a lot more money as it's rare.

We need considerably better marketing people in our game and someone that can sell it.

[LaMotta]

BBC was the same on MOTD with Shearer and Ian Wright peddling similar guff.

[southern hibby]

Got rid of Sky about a year ago. Not missed it once.




GGTTH

[Austinho]

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Quite simply put: **** Sky.

[givescotlandfreedom]

Great when Sutton is on BT down south with these sorts and they try their nonsense. He shows up their ignorance well and always talks our game up.

[IncredibleHibee]

I wouldnt even say its a lack of respect, its a sheer lack of knowledge. They are so ignorant down their and just jump on the bandwagon of 'scottish football isn't great' without actually taking the time to find out and make their own mind up. Its telling that most 'big name players' that come up the road say they are shocked that the standard is as good as it is because they gobble up the tripe served up that scottish football is terrible.

[DavieRoy]

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Quite simply put: **** Sky.

It is not as if Richard Keys has an axe to grind!!

If memory serves, they always had the Scottish Cup and Scotland games after they lost the League coverage (thanks to awful decision making by the SPL), another example of The Daily Record shouting loud enough and people will believe it.

[lord bunberry]

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Great when Sutton is on BT down south with these sorts and they try their nonsense. He shows up their ignorance well and always talks our game up.

Yes I completely agree. That’s what sky don’t have, their coverage is good, but it doesn’t really promote our game. When we had the rivals weekend a few weeks ago the Edinburgh derby kicked it off and it really showed what sky could do if they wanted.

[DavieRoy]

If BT want the rights, they have to put up the money. They only pay 1/3 of the current deal compared to Sky’s 2/3.

Also, they need to do more than just the live games. They have made out they do the extra show but it is really just extended build-up and the show is not on when they don’t have a live game.

The highlights show on a Monday is bought in from a production company and not done by BT themselves.

Sky and BBC do much more regularly, regardless of the quality. Sky is saturated by English football and ignorance like the example above is not good.

[greenlex]

I wish Scottish football would tell tv to gtf or vice versa.

[lord bunberry]

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If BT want the rights, they have to put up the money. They only pay 1/3 of the current deal compared to Sky’s 2/3.

Also, they need to do more than just the live games. They have made out they do the extra show but it is really just extended build-up and the show is not on when they don’t have a live game.

The highlights show on a Monday is bought in from a production company and not done by BT themselves.

Sky and BBC do much more regularly, regardless of the quality. Sky is saturated by English football and ignorance like the example above is not good.

Maybe the example above thinks sky can do better than it’s currently doing. The example above clearly said that sky when it wants to can put on a really good production of Scottish football. Not sure what your problem with my post was, unless it’s a failure to take criticism.

[DavieRoy]

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I wish Scottish football would tell tv to gtf or vice versa.

How would we replace TV cash? More fans? We are already at capacity. So increase prices then. Clubs won’t vote for money out of their budgets, especially the smaller clubs.

What is required is a better relationship with TV. Maybe sell less games, the SPFL sell 60 Scottish Premiership games. Sell 50 instead. Also, promote the league better by ensuring the best games are on TV.

We moan when games get moved but people were on here when Aberdeen at home wasn’t on TV, can’t have it both ways.

The clubs via the league accept the deal. If TV offer crap money and poor kick off times and the league accept it, blame our clubs.

This time, they need to get set slots in the tender otherwise TV will move games to any time. The lazy argument is blame TV, are our clubs maybe naive and weak. We should look at both sides of the spectrum.

[DavieRoy]

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Maybe the example above thinks sky can do better than it’s currently doing. The example above clearly said that sky when it wants to can put on a really good production of Scottish football. Not sure what your problem with my post was, unless it’s a failure to take criticism.

I agree, I, like you, are looking at both sides of the argument here. We are in arguement about the pros and cons of both channels.

The narrative at the minute on Twitter from fans is Sky and BBC are crap and BT are great. Sky and BBC don’t help themselves and familiarity breeds contempt. BT have mixed it up and the other two can do so much more. When you look at what BT do it is good but not enough. You used a great Sky example of doing it right.

BT picked Aberdeen v Hearts last week when they should have gone for Aberdeen v Hibernian. Fair enough, maybe they needed to take a game in that slot last week.

My worry with BT is, what games would they pick if they had full rights. Probably the Old Firm away.

[shetlandhibee]

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BBC was the same on MOTD with Shearer and Ian Wright peddling similar guff.

yea it was cringworthy ok.. he,ll never get and easier start in football at a big club, in scotland he only has to beat 1 team, where as in the championship he,ll have 16 to get ahead off.. no brainer was used a lot as to whether he should take the job. LOOOOOOOOOL

[monktonharp]

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I wouldnt even say its a lack of respect, its a sheer lack of knowledge. They are so ignorant down their and just jump on the bandwagon of 'scottish football isn't great' without actually taking the time to find out and make their own mind up. Its telling that most 'big name players' that come up the road say they are shocked that the standard is as good as it is because they gobble up the tripe served up that scottish football is terrible.

If they'd been at some of ours this season, versus Celtic 4 times, against Aberdeen 3 times, against Killie and against der h............ooooops sevco a couple of times they would have seen some great games. added to that some other matches involving Killie, Motherwell
Dundee and dare I say the gorgie mo....nah, that's tain it too far but there have been matches that could put some of the English championship and Premier to shame!

[snooky]

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It is not as if Richard Keys has an axe to grind!!

If memory serves, they always had the Scottish Cup and Scotland games after they lost the League coverage (thanks to awful decision making by the SPL), another example of The Daily Record shouting loud enough and people will believe it.

Mr Keys also says he still doesn't know why Rangers had to go down to the bottom league (There's his first mistake - they didn't) as they weren't found guilty of doing anything wrong.
Mind you, he's talking to the Daily Ranger here so what he actually said could be something entirely different.

[Steve-O]

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As Luke Shanley says though Sky do at least talk about Scottish football. Most of it I agree doesn’t really show it in a great light. BT’s match coverage is so much better, but other than that we don’t get a mention. I just wish we could start talking up our game and making it more attractive to broadcasters.

You have to wonder if it's better being not talked about at all rather than completely misrepresented?

[Steve-O]

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Quite simply put: **** Sky.

Mitchell was an idiot back then. We were getting plenty money from Sky back then and that buffoon turned it down thinking that SPL TV could be a goer.

Although the idea of an SPFL streaming service, for example, could be a good idea now, it was just never going to happen back then IMO.

So we lost a 60 million deal and had to take about 10% of that from the BBC! All the top players left and as stated, we're still paying the price now.

[ruthven_raiders]

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stopped buying it 2 years ago. cant stand most of their commentators or pundits, and hate how they call the shots for game times etc.

I stopped sky sports 2 years ago and stopped listening to the BBC and the guardian football podcasts..... Hardly watch football on tv except sportsmen. Much prefer going to a game.

[SirDavidsNapper]

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How long will it be before the SPFL cuts ties with this lot?

Watching The Debate there, listening to patronising chat wherein Dennis Wise actually said "there are only two teams in Scotland". This, after chatting about Gerrard/Rangers and how they "only need to catch Celtic", despite being level with us and behind Aberdeen.

Couple this with the general lack of punditry knowledge about Scottish football, funny lad Jeff Stelling calling Raith Rovers "Roath Ravers" every week (Banter!) and the complete lack of effort into the build up for even the biggest games. Contrast this with BT Sport, who actually make an effort to promote the game up here.

Surely the pittance in revenue they provide is not worth it considering the constant downplaying? **** them.

Dennis Wise is an ignorant wee welt who can't see north of London. Not the only one down there.

[Beefster]

If BT had the bulk of the EPL packages, they’d be exactly the same as Sky. Resources would be aimed at promoting their cash cow.

Sky will be fully aware how much subscriptions are driven completely by their coverage of Scottish football and it won’t be many.

[One Day]

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]I wouldnt even say its a lack of respect, its a sheer lack of knowledge[/B]. They are so ignorant down their and just jump on the bandwagon of 'scottish football isn't great' without actually taking the time to find out and make their own mind up. Its telling that most 'big name players' that come up the road say they are shocked that the standard is as good as it is because they gobble up the tripe served up that scottish football is terrible.

I agree. They are ignorant of Scottish football and when pushed come out with the same sh*t. Rangers Celtic, Celtic Rangers pash

[Forza Fred]

It’s not only Sky that think there are only two teams In Scotland.

When being introduced out here and they pick up my Scottish accent, I am frequently asked ‘Rangers or Celtic?”

Whether we like it or not that is the perception.

[worcesterhibby]

maybe Gerard coming to Rangers will be just what we need. Sky and the MSM will see it as a battle between the ex liverpool giants...Rogers V Gerard...but maybe just maybe all this will highlight is that both Hibs and Aberdeen are better than Rangers. I would love it if Rangers came 4th under Gerard and get royally stuffed by Hibs 4 times next season.

[ben johnson]

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Mr Keys also says he still doesn't know why Rangers had to go down to the bottom league (There's his first mistake - they didn't) as they weren't found guilty of doing anything wrong.
Mind you, he's talking to the Daily Ranger here so what he actually said could be something entirely different.

Best pal Andy Gray would have made sure he sided with the Ibrox line

[hibbydog]

I can understand why they have always thought it's been a 2 horse race up here, but that was before Rangers went dud and became a tribute act. The Rangers are now not as good as Aberdeen or Hibs and it's astonishing that they dont understand that - a quick glance at the league table and head to head records confirms it. These are people who are paid to talk knowledgeably about football as well.

There's a general ignorance and arrogance around people like Shearer and Wise who think The Rangers and Gerrard are a good fit for each other. I think it's going to be a disaster and I hope it is !!