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    Quote Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee View Post
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    If I had proof, donít you think Iíd be sharing those plans with everyone? Thereís obviously not going to be any proof until after independence is achieved when the parties start sticking their economic policies on the table.

    You only have to apply common sense though. It would be absolutely mental for them not to have plans of their own in the very likely event of independence in the near future.
    Having had a fair bit of insight into the workings of different parties over the years, I think you're giving them too much credit. And that applies across the board.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee View Post
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    Of course you donít see an alternative. Parties that donít openly support independence are hardly going to go public about any plans they may have in the event that it does happen. But Iíd hazard a bet that even the tories in Scotland have some plan tucked away, just incase. They just arenít going to mention them right now as it doesnít suit their narrative that an independent Scotland is somehow economically impossible.
    I think you're giving UK parties too much credit for thinking ahead. Brexit, I rest my case M'lud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    I think you're giving UK parties too much credit for thinking ahead. Brexit, I rest my case M'lud.
    You're assuming brexit wasn't the plan all along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee View Post
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    You're assuming brexit wasn't the plan all along.
    Sorry but we're encroaching on tinfoil hat territory. I'm out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    This remark disappoints me MA, you're better than that. I was born in Scotland, grew up there, I'm influenced by the people, history, culture and education I received there as well as having family, friends and financial and social connections there. I also have the right as an EU citizen to cast my vote there in EU elections. To somehow suggest I fail some kind of reverse "Norman Tebbit" nationality test is beneath you. You can take the laddie out of Scotland.........

    Would you also promote the idea that foreign citizens living in the UK should cut ties with their heritage or does it only apply to Scots living abroad?
    I think youíve misinterpreted my post, I maybe could have worded it more clearly.

    Iím not disputing your connection and commitment to Scotland, Scottishness and being Scottish.

    I was querying the use of the word ĎOurí probably more in connection with me than with you.

    I was born in Scotland and live in Scotland so presumably am part that ĎOurí you refer to but I donít associate my experience or belief with what you are portraying, and neither did a clear majority of Scots in 2014 I guess.

    Language is a powerful thing and can be used to create very strong messages. Couching your beliefs as somehow representative of the whole nation is misleading, when you are really speaking for a disaffected minority. It happens quite a lot and Iím sure everyone does it but it seems to happen a lot more with the Nationalist posters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns View Post
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    Here we go again, Scotland has already got all the EU criteria in place.

    Scotland has financial services, etc in place, Slovakia had to start from scratch, suggesting that it will be so much easier.

    And change your mortgage to a Scottish provider, I've explained that to you already.
    Here we go again? How can a "country" that is not yet independent have all the criteria in place "already"?
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    Here we go again? How can a "country" that is not yet independent have all the criteria in place "already"?
    Already pointed out we don't, like a central bank, but he never listens. It's a lie to say we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    I think youíve misinterpreted my post, I maybe could have worded it more clearly.

    Iím not disputing your connection and commitment to Scotland, Scottishness and being Scottish.

    I was querying the use of the word ĎOurí probably more in connection with me than with you.

    I was born in Scotland and live in Scotland so presumably am part that ĎOurí you refer to but I donít associate my experience or belief with what you are portraying, and neither did a clear majority of Scots in 2014 I guess.

    Language is a powerful thing and can be used to create very strong messages. Couching your beliefs as somehow representative of the whole nation is misleading, when you are really speaking for a disaffected minority. It happens quite a lot and Iím sure everyone does it but it seems to happen a lot more with the Nationalist posters.
    Fair enough, what was the question again

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    Interesting that the Telegraph go negative on Stewart when he is in last place.


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    Johnson campaign going to lend hunt votes to make sure he is in final two.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye View Post
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    I think youíve misinterpreted my post, I maybe could have worded it more clearly.

    Iím not disputing your connection and commitment to Scotland, Scottishness and being Scottish.

    I was querying the use of the word ĎOurí probably more in connection with me than with you.

    I was born in Scotland and live in Scotland so presumably am part that ĎOurí you refer to but I donít associate my experience or belief with what you are portraying, and neither did a clear majority of Scots in 2014 I guess.

    Language is a powerful thing and can be used to create very strong messages. Couching your beliefs as somehow representative of the whole nation is misleading, when you are really speaking for a disaffected minority. It happens quite a lot and Iím sure everyone does it but it seems to happen a lot more with the Nationalist posters.
    You really do have a bee in your bonnet about the 'we' and 'our' thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allmodcons View Post
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    You really do have a bee in your bonnet about the 'we' and 'our' thing.
    Hibs fans around the world needn't bother supporting "our", club anymore, as they don't live here now. 😂😂


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee View Post
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    Looks like they need to drop that Ďunionistí from their name.


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    None of this matters because Johnson is going to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diclonius View Post
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    None of this matters because Johnson is going to win.
    Comfortably. Who knows what happens after that though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Looks like they need to drop that Ďunionistí from their name.


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    The only people in the UK who buy into the unionist tosh are the tories living in Scotland. The reality is, the vast bulk of the party membership are made up of English nationalists with a sense of ownership over Scotland and it's resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Comfortably. Who knows what happens after that though.


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    A General election which polls suggest a Boris lead Tory party will win easily. Then he will be free to do what he wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    A General election which polls suggest a Boris lead Tory party will win easily. Then he will be free to do what he wants.
    If heís advocating a hard brexit and labour are still failing to lead then I would not rule out the Lib Demís gathering up all the remain vote. Will Boris be able to stop the Brexit Party running? Itís a big business now, canít see them standing down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Johnson campaign going to lend hunt votes to make sure he is in final two.


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    They can't even do an internal leadership election without cheating.

    That's Tories for you.


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    Is it wrong that I am warming to Rory Stewart - a down to earth Posh boy if that's even possible 😁
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    Is it wrong that I am warming to Rory Stewart - a down to earth Psoh boy if that's even possible 😁
    Fair play to him, he's done well in the leadership contest. I don't think many tories would've known who he was a few weeks ago.

    Meanwhile, a few of Ruth Davidson's MPs backing BJ

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-48675043

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Grieves View Post
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    Fair play to him, he's done well in the leadership contest. I don't think many tories would've known who he was a few weeks ago.

    Meanwhile, a few of Ruth Davidson's MPs backing BJ

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    Nope. But plenty of people at MI5 did.

    Also, not surprised that Boris is being backed by the tory part-time linesman and the scrotum fondler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Brazil View Post
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    Is it wrong that I am warming to Rory Stewart - a down to earth Posh boy if that's even possible 😁
    He's head and shoulders above all of the rest of them.

    At a very tough time for the country, it would do no harm to have a leader that even non-Tories could get behind and relate to.

    That's why he won't get it. We'll get the most offensive, obnoxious option - Boris - who will alienate millions but serve those he is there to serve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    He's head and shoulders above all of the rest of them.

    At a very tough time for the country, it would do no harm to have a leader that even non-Tories could get behind and relate to.

    That's why he won't get it. We'll get the most offensive, obnoxious option - Boris - who will alienate millions but serve those he is there to serve.
    He is by far the most likeable but he still wonít win. Johnson as PM going for a hard brexit makes independence more probable though so every cloud and all that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Grieves View Post
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    Fair play to him, he's done well in the leadership contest. I don't think many tories would've known who he was a few weeks ago.

    Meanwhile, a few of Ruth Davidson's MPs backing BJ

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-48675043
    When did Ruth Davidson become leader of the Conservatives? She only leads a bunch of MSPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    If heís advocating a hard brexit and labour are still failing to lead then I would not rule out the Lib Demís gathering up all the remain vote. Will Boris be able to stop the Brexit Party running? Itís a big business now, canít see them standing down.


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    If Boris goes to the country promising a hard Brexit then the Tories who backed the Brexit Party will return to the fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinello59 View Post
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    If Boris goes to the country promising a hard Brexit then the Tories who backed the Brexit Party will return to the fold.
    Where do the Tory remainers go under this situation though?

    That is still a significant number of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Brazil View Post
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    Is it wrong that I am warming to Rory Stewart - a down to earth Posh boy if that's even possible 😁
    Heís still a Tory. I could never warm to any of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    Where do the Tory remainers go under this situation though?

    That is still a significant number of people.
    I donít think it will matter, they wonít stop a Tory majority wherever they go.
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