2017 attendances

[Stuart93]

Total home crowds in 2017...

Hibernian: 358,781
Villarreal: 341,826
Udinese: 331,238
Galatasaray: 321,322
Fenerbahce: 301,726
Olympiakos: 256,432

Lifted this from twitter...impressive if accurate.

[surreyhibbie]

any indication of the number of games played by each team?

[Killiehibbie]

Galatasaray have nearly equalled that total in 7 games this season with an average of 41000.

[Keith_M]

Given our current average attendances, we'd be the second best supported team in Austria (if we ever moved there :-) )

Although, the third best would only have an average of just over 10k, so it's not much of an achievement.









Any excuse for a dig at the Austrians is OK by me...

[rodhibs55]

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Total home crowds in 2017...

Hibernian: 358,781
Villarreal: 341,826
Udinese: 331,238
Galatasaray: 321,322
Fenerbahce: 301,726
Olympiakos: 256,432

Lifted this from twitter...impressive if accurate.

We are getting close to that (mythical number) that the Yams have for every game.

[Ozyhibby]

Or if we had an Atlantic league.

2/ 18 team leagues

Ajax 49,403
Feyenoord 45,419
Celtic 44,849
New Rangers 45,415
PSV 32,465
FC Twente 28,518
Hammarby (Sweden) 25,507
Club Brugge (Belguim) 24,430
Herenveen 24,314
AIK (Sweden) 20,983
Anderlecht 20,675
Genk (Belguim) 20,590
Standard Liege (Belguim) 20,415
Groningen 20,193
NAC Breda 18,112
Rosenborg (Norway) 18,039
Malmo (Sweden) 17,332
Vitesse 17,212
Hibs 17,000
Utrecht 16,646
Hearts 16, 423
AZ Alkmaar 15,512
Djurgardens IF (Sweden) 15,484
FC Copenhagen (Denmark) 15,448
Brondby (Denmark) 15,143
IFK Gothenborg (Sweden) 14,350
Aberdeen 13,094
PEC Zwolle 12,213
Willem II 12,099
ADO Den Haag 11,976
IFK Norkoping (Sweden) 10,296
Viking FK (Norway) 10,272
SK Brann (Norway) 10,124
KV Mechelan (Belguim)10,160
Valerenga IF (Norway) 10,099
KAA Gent (Belguim) 10,090

Tv market
Holland 17m
Belguim 11m
Sweden 10m
Denmark 5.6m
Scotland 5.5m
Norway 5.1m
Total 52mi


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[Michael]

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Or if we had an Atlantic league.

2/ 18 team leagues

Ajax 49,403
Feyenoord 45,419
Celtic 44,849
New Rangers 45,415
PSV 32,465
FC Twente 28,518
Hammarby (Sweden) 25,507
Club Brugge (Belguim) 24,430
Herenveen 24,314
AIK (Sweden) 20,983
Anderlecht 20,675
Genk (Belguim) 20,590
Standard Liege (Belguim) 20,415
Groningen 20,193
NAC Breda 18,112
Rosenborg (Norway) 18,039
Malmo (Sweden) 17,332
Vitesse 17,212
Hibs 17,000
Utrecht 16,646
Hearts 16, 423
AZ Alkmaar 15,512
Djurgardens IF (Sweden) 15,484
FC Copenhagen (Denmark) 15,448
Brondby (Denmark) 15,143
IFK Gothenborg (Sweden) 14,350
Aberdeen 13,094
PEC Zwolle 12,213
Willem II 12,099
ADO Den Haag 11,976
IFK Norkoping (Sweden) 10,296
Viking FK (Norway) 10,272
SK Brann (Norway) 10,124
KV Mechelan (Belguim)10,160
Valerenga IF (Norway) 10,099
KAA Gent (Belguim) 10,090

Tv market
Holland 17m
Belguim 11m
Sweden 10m
Denmark 5.6m
Scotland 5.5m
Norway 5.1m
Total 52mi


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I used to be strongly against it, but I'd actually quite like to see it happen now. Gotta move with the times. It would hopefully end the big league domination of Europe.

[Billy Whizz]

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I used to be strongly against it, but I'd actually quite like to see it happen now. Gotta move with the times. It would hopefully end the big league domination of Europe.

Do you Leanne would reintroduce loyalty points for this?

[marinello59]

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Do you Leanne would reintroduce loyalty points for this?

Forget loyalty points, think of the Airmiles.

[Billy Whizz]

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Forget loyalty points, think of the Airmiles.

But I might not get a ticket?

[yonder1875]

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Or if we had an Atlantic league.

2/ 18 team leagues

Ajax 49,403
Feyenoord 45,419
Celtic 44,849
New Rangers 45,415
PSV 32,465
FC Twente 28,518
Hammarby (Sweden) 25,507
Club Brugge (Belguim) 24,430
Herenveen 24,314
AIK (Sweden) 20,983
Anderlecht 20,675
Genk (Belguim) 20,590
Standard Liege (Belguim) 20,415
Groningen 20,193
NAC Breda 18,112
Rosenborg (Norway) 18,039
Malmo (Sweden) 17,332
Vitesse 17,212
Hibs 17,000
Utrecht 16,646
Hearts 16, 423
AZ Alkmaar 15,512
Djurgardens IF (Sweden) 15,484
FC Copenhagen (Denmark) 15,448
Brondby (Denmark) 15,143
IFK Gothenborg (Sweden) 14,350
Aberdeen 13,094
PEC Zwolle 12,213
Willem II 12,099
ADO Den Haag 11,976
IFK Norkoping (Sweden) 10,296
Viking FK (Norway) 10,272
SK Brann (Norway) 10,124
KV Mechelan (Belguim)10,160
Valerenga IF (Norway) 10,099
KAA Gent (Belguim) 10,090

Tv market
Holland 17m
Belguim 11m
Sweden 10m
Denmark 5.6m
Scotland 5.5m
Norway 5.1m
Total 52mi


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Celtic surely higher than that?

[Killiehibbie]

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Celtic surely higher than that?

Quite a bit.

http://www.worldfootball.net/attenda...p-2017-2018/1/

[NAE NOOKIE]

Our crowds stand up pretty well Europe wide I would guess, there are plenty of teams out there who are so called bigger names but who don't get the attendances we do. Only 3 clubs in the Portuguese league do better than us, with the 4th club about equal on just over 17,000. We would be roughly the 9th best supported team in the Netherlands and even just below the top half in Spain Italy and France. In Belgium we would be roughly the 6th best supported club and in Sweden around the 4th best supported.

Considering three of these countries have twice the population of Scotland and in the case of Spain The Netherlands France and Italy considerably more we can hold our heads up in any company so far as how well we are supported goes. Its also reasonable to point out that many of the clubs in these leagues who outperform us come from far larger cities and with only one club or at least one club which is vastly better supported than its local rivals, Amsterdam and Rotterdam being two cases in point.

We aint doing so bad

[Ozyhibby]

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Celtic surely higher than that?

Yes, the figures are from a couple of seasons ago, I just updated Hibs.


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[K.Marx]

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impressive if accurate.

This is the issue for me with how we now report attendances, they’re not really accurate are they? I would suggest that for many of these games we’re reporting crowds a couple thousand more than what they actually are.

Out of interest, am I the only one who would prefer we go back to reporting fans through the turnstiles rather than tickets sold?

[Michael]

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This is the issue for me with how we now report attendances, they’re not really accurate are they? I would suggest that for many of these games we’re reporting crowds a couple thousand more than what they actually are.

Out of interest, am I the only one who would prefer we go back to reporting fans through the turnstiles rather than tickets sold?

Agreed. What's the point of inflating it?

[Ozyhibby]

I’ve always thought that tickets sold is the most honest way of doing it.


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[Leith Green]

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Agreed. What's the point of inflating it?

Different day and age.. In the old pay at the gate days how accurate were the figures? People jumping into grounds without paying , clubs under reporting attendances as a tax dodge.

All the clubs can do is base it on tickets sold , anyone with half a brain will tell you that it is a far better move for the club , especially when they are negotiating sponsorship deals etc. It also encourages fans to buy in advance which again benefits the club.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Agreed. What's the point of inflating it?

Money laundering......

Seriously, though, as LG suggested, if you're negotiating sponsorship, it will do your case more good if you can suggest that your average attendance is 15k, rather than 12k.

[wookie70]

For a country that belittles it football so much Scotland is amazing in terms of turning up to watch. Barring a couple of small Nations we go to watch more games per ca pita than any other countries the world over.

[Aim Here]

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I’ve always thought that tickets sold is the most honest way of doing it.


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Depends who you're talking to. When you're talking to the taxman, sure. When you're talking to the companies buying advertising in the ground, not so much.

[Michael]

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Different day and age.. In the old pay at the gate days how accurate were the figures? People jumping into grounds without paying , clubs under reporting attendances as a tax dodge.

All the clubs can do is base it on tickets sold , anyone with half a brain will tell you that it is a far better move for the club , especially when they are negotiating sponsorship deals etc. It also encourages fans to buy in advance which again benefits the club.

A bit deceptive though isn't it?

[jacomo]

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I used to be strongly against it, but I'd actually quite like to see it happen now. Gotta move with the times. It would hopefully end the big league domination of Europe.

So long as promotion / relegation continued I agree.

This was one of the biggest flaws in the Rantic petitioning to join the EPL - it was presented as a one-time deal, with no prospect of returning to the Scottish game.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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This is the issue for me with how we now report attendances, they’re not really accurate are they? I would suggest that for many of these games we’re reporting crowds a couple thousand more than what they actually are.

Out of interest, am I the only one who would prefer we go back to reporting fans through the turnstiles rather than tickets sold?

I suppose if someone has paid for the seat its reasonably legitimate to count them in the attendance, even if they didn't actually attend. If the success of a club is determined by the number of people prepared to pay to watch them play a person who has paid up is a tick in the success box even if they didn't go to the match.

After all. I'm sure the tax man has no doubt on how to measure crowd figures

[K.Marx]

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I’ve always thought that tickets sold is the most honest way of doing it.


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After we wrapped up the league last season we played Raith at home midweek and reported a crowd of around 13.5k when we’re lucky if there was 9k in the stadium. I just find it a bit Yam like over inflating our attendance figures. Attendance to me should be just as it suggests, how many people attended the game!

[Leith Green]

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Different day and age.. In the old pay at the gate days how accurate were the figures? People jumping into grounds without paying , clubs under reporting attendances as a tax dodge.

All the clubs can do is base it on tickets sold , anyone with half a brain will tell you that it is a far better move for the club , especially when they are negotiating sponsorship deals etc. It also encourages fans to buy in advance which again benefits the club.

Deceiving who though? If a concert sold 15k tickets but only 13k turned up then whou would be any the wiser , who would actually care??

[Leith Green]

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After we wrapped up the league last season we played Raith at home midweek and reported a crowd of around 13.5k when we’re lucky if there was 9k in the stadium. I just find it a bit Yam like over inflating our attendance figures. Attendance to me should be just as it suggests, how many people attended the game!

Its hardly yam like , almost every other club in Britain does the same thing.