Fraser Murray

[Zazu62]

Why hasn’t he been given more of a chance? Thought he was meant to be the next decent youthy to come through

[bingo70]

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Why hasn’t he been given more of a chance? Thought he was meant to be the next decent youthy to come through

I know it’s not a popular opinion but with the exception of Porteous, imo the youngsters I’ve seen need to bulk up.

This isn’t about wanting a team of 6ft cloggers but there is an element of power needed to impose yourself on the game, likes of Shaw and Murray won’t make it unless they develop physically imo.

[Pretty Boy]

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I know it’s not a popular opinion but with the exception of Porteous, imo the youngsters I’ve seen need to bulk up.

This isn’t about wanting a team of 6ft cloggers but there is an element of power needed to impose yourself on the game, likes of Shaw and Murray won’t make it unless they develop physically imo.

I think we’ll see a big improvement in that regard with the next bunch of youngsters coming through. A lot of these guys were wasted for years because of managerial and infrastructure deficiencies and the groundwork wasn’t done. Hibs have had the current batch of 15/16 year olds underthe current regime for 3 and a bit Years now so we’ll see the benefit in a year or 2.

I’ve argued for a while that if there are any youngsters at Hibs, or anywhere in Scotland for that matter, who are destined for really big things then they have to be playing 1st team football for us or clubs likes us by no later than 17 or 18. A player still kicking about the fringes at 21 or 22 isn’t going to go much further. I’m aware there are 1 or 2 exceptions but they prove the rule.

[Nicho87]

He came on at Dundee away and he looks promising but far too lightweight for me still. Same with Shaw. Shaw needs strength and overall toughened up.

[horseflesh]

I thought Shaws first touch against Celtic was dreadful, that needs to improve first before anything else. Haven't seen a great deal of him though and this may not always be the case

[horseflesh]

I thought Shaws first touch against Celtic was dreadful, that needs to improve first before anything else. Haven't seen a great deal of him though and this may not always be the case

[GreenCastle]

We have some good youngsters at the club and I’m sure their time will come.

Murray is better than Cochrane.
Shaw will score goals
Porteous is Hanlon part 2

Add in a few other Dev players we have who are technically very good. It’s only a matter of time before they get more game time.

[The Modfather]

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I know it’s not a popular opinion but with the exception of Porteous, imo the youngsters I’ve seen need to bulk up.

This isn’t about wanting a team of 6ft cloggers but there is an element of power needed to impose yourself on the game, likes of Shaw and Murray won’t make it unless they develop physically imo.

I get what you’re saying, but not sure Fraser Murray is all that dissimilar from Swanson in terms of size and strength.

[Mainstandman]

I've seen him in a few games, he isn't big but will go flying in with no fear.

[Michael]

If he was going to make it with Hibs he'd be playing every week by now.

But you never know. I never thought Cummings would be any good, so what do I know?

[The_Horde]

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If he was going to make it with Hibs he'd be playing every week by now.

But you never know. I never thought Cummings would be any good, so what do I know?

The lads 18. Chill

[Billy Whizz]

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If he was going to make it with Hibs he'd be playing every week by now.

But you never know. I never thought Cummings would be any good, so what do I know?

I’ll put it on record here, Fraser is a better player than Harry Cochrane

[The_Horde]

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I’ll put it on record here, Fraser is a better player than Harry Cochrane

Yep. If Fraser had the presence of Harry he'd be a starter for us by now too.

[snooky]

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I know it’s not a popular opinion but with the exception of Porteous, imo the youngsters I’ve seen need to bulk up.

This isn’t about wanting a team of 6ft cloggers but there is an element of power needed to impose yourself on the game, likes of Shaw and Murray won’t make it unless they develop physically imo.

How big and strong is the 16 year old Cochrane that plays for the Jams?

[The Pointer]

I never understand why the youngsters appear so lightweight as there seem to be fantastic gym facilities at EM.

If some of the local lads here can bulk up with the crap facilities we've got, I would have thought every young Hibs player could be similarly equipped. Works for 19 year old rugby players.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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I’ll put it on record here, Fraser is a better player than Harry Cochrane

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[monktonharp]

I think it very unfair, to compare young players we have against the legendary Danny Swanson who has yet to score for Hibernian, was dropped because his mind was not with it during a terrible time in his life and added to the fact that he has been injured for months now. don't compare.

[JohnM1875]

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I think it very unfair, to compare young players we have against the legendary Danny Swanson who has yet to score for Hibernian, was dropped because his mind was not with it during a terrible time in his life and added to the fact that he has been injured for months now. don't compare.

Danny scored against Livingston.

[houstonhibbee]

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I never understand why the youngsters appear so lightweight as there seem to be fantastic gym facilities at EM.

If some of the local lads here can bulk up with the crap facilities we've got, I would have thought every young Hibs player could be similarly equipped. Works for 19 year old rugby players.

There was nothing wrong with the way alex cropley tackled

[NAE NOOKIE]

Fraser Murray didn't look like he had a problem coping with the physical side of the game in the times I've seen him play, the kid also looked to me like he has a brain which can compensate for a lack of muscle ... he also looks like he has a goal or two in him and I have to admit to being surprise that he hasn't had more of a chance.

I seem to remember a young midfielder a few years back who looked like a mild breeze would blow him out of the stadium and up Easter Road ... Collins I think his name was.

[monktonharp]

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Danny scored against Livingston.

oh did he? what competition was that in then?

[JohnM1875]

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oh did he? what competition was that in then?

Quarter final of the league cup.

[MWHIBBIES]

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oh did he? what competition was that in then?

The league cup ?

[calumhibee1]

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I think we’ll see a big improvement in that regard with the next bunch of youngsters coming through. A lot of these guys were wasted for years because of managerial and infrastructure deficiencies and the groundwork wasn’t done. Hibs have had the current batch of 15/16 year olds underthe current regime for 3 and a bit Years now so we’ll see the benefit in a year or 2.

I’ve argued for a while that if there are any youngsters at Hibs, or anywhere in Scotland for that matter, who are destined for really big things then they have to be playing 1st team football for us or clubs likes us by no later than 17 or 18. A player still kicking about the fringes at 21 or 22 isn’t going to go much further. I’m aware there are 1 or 2 exceptions but they prove the rule.

I agree with your last paragraph in the main. I’d say if you’re not a first team regular by the time you’re out your teens you won’t make it at Hibs. It’s why I can never understand why we had Harris, Stanton, Handling and Forster for so long (although I realise we may not have been able to get rid).

[Unseen work]

Although Fraser Murray is very slim, in all the games I have seen him play I have never thought it has been an issue or that he got bullied.

In fact, on every occasion I thought he has been one of our best performers in the game and could glide past players for fun

[theonlywayisup]

So Shaw's first touch is dreadful and Fraser Murray is too lightweight.

Pretty harsh in my opinion.

[green day]

Shaw needs to bulk up, but has a good strikers instinct.

Murray has looked excellent every time I've seen him, all action and not afraid to mix it.

If Bartley needs work on his shoulder injury, I would have no qualms about parachuting Murray in for a short while.

Hibs are protecting youngsters, Hearts have no option but to drop them in. It does not mean theirs are necessarily better.

[JimBHibees]

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So Shaw's first touch is dreadful and Fraser Murray is too lightweight.

Pretty harsh in my opinion.

Agree Shaws first touch is one of his strengths as is his calm finishing, In saying that no doubt a few yam trolls stirring things up before the derby.

[Smartie]

I don't always understand the craving for young players to "bulk up".

If we're going to knock endless high balls up to Shaw then he needs to bulk up. I don't think he has it in him to bulk up to an extent that he'd become effective at that style of play.

We should play to players' strengths, and lithe, quick players can lose what makes them great when they bulk up.

All his career Riordan had folk trying to get him to bulk up. He still managed to score a good few, in spite of never managing to put that weight on. I see Shaw as being very similar to Riordan. Stick him up front with a hairy-arsed target man who has done his bulking up and he'd get rewards.

The only player I think I've ever really watched and thought needed to bulk up was Danny Handling. I thought he was a superb midfielder who had every other part of his game sorted but simply got brushed off the ball too easily.

[calumhibee1]

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I don't always understand the craving for young players to "bulk up".

If we're going to knock endless high balls up to Shaw then he needs to bulk up. I don't think he has it in him to bulk up to an extent that he'd become effective at that style of play.

We should play to players' strengths, and lithe, quick players can lose what makes them great when they bulk up.

All his career Riordan had folk trying to get him to bulk up. He still managed to score a good few, in spite of never managing to put that weight on. I see Shaw as being very similar to Riordan. Stick him up front with a hairy-arsed target man who has done his bulking up and he'd get rewards.

The only player I think I've ever really watched and thought needed to bulk up was Danny Handling. I thought he was a superb midfielder who had every other part of his game sorted but simply got brushed off the ball too easily.

Danny Handling is possibly the most physically inept footballer I’ve seen in my time watching Hibs.