Preston North End (Louis Moult content)

[Billy Whizz]

Probably deserves a thread of its own,
Thought I’d have a look at how clubs like PNE can outbid Hibs/Aberdeen etc for the likes of Moult.
It’s not a dig at PNE, but showing why, at the moment, we have no chance when English Championships clubs look at players in Scotland

Moult is signing for around £500k, and wages of around £10k per week!

Looking at their accounts up to 30th June 2017
Turnover was £11.9 million
Loss after taxation £852,000
Ave attendance was 12,611
Season ticket holders 7,605

It’s when you see the breakdown of their turnover, it’s obvious we are really poor relations in Scotland in TV revenue payments

Year to 2017
Season and match day ticket sales £3,699 million

Premier league and English football league distributions and televised games - £6,758 million (up from £4,759 million in 2017)

Commercial and media revenue - £1,255 million
Merchandising £104,000
Other income £140,000
Total £11,956,000

Over 56% of turnover from PL deals etc, unbelievable

There are at least 5 clubs in Scotland who are much bigger than PNE, so until we get a much much better TV deal, we just can’t compete

Scotland gets £20 million per season, divided by 12 clubs

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.s...-1-4348968/amp

[Michael]

Preston's turnover is actually less than I expected then. Isn't that roughly what Aberdeen turned over last season?

[Billy Whizz]

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Preston's turnover is actually less then I expected then. Isn't that roughly what Aberdeen turned over last season?

Think it was without the massive TV injection Preston got

[ancient hibee]

To digress.Saw PNE at Easter Road some time ago.They had a guy, Finney, playing-he was quite good.

[HoboHarry]

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To digress.Saw PNE at Easter Road some time ago.They had a guy, Finney, playing-he was quite good.

Christ your old. Was the game in black and white?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Isn't the English Championship the fifth richest league in the world or something?

[ancient hibee]

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Christ your old. Was the game in black and white?

Certainly Preston were

[Smartie]

We have had a real problem marketing our game in this country, mainly because we've entrusted the task to idiots who continually talk us down. We've also taken on the slightly unhelpful tendency towards comparing our game to England, a comparison that we're never going to come out favourably in.

We've lost so much ground it is going to be almost impossible to come back from.

It is criminal how little we have accepted being paid for our "product".

It's not like our viewing figures are that far behind those involving English sides to justify such a difference either.

There is a lot to like about Scottish football at the moment. I actually really like the BT coverage of it too.

Hopefully at some point we can get shot of the likes of Regan, Doncaster and their Armageddon crap, start talking our game up a bit and get something a bit closer to what we deserve.

[Chip shop Joe]

The fact that they are spending 500k on a guy they can get for nothing in 6 months highlights how much cash they have available.

I think Motherwell have done very well to get that amount. He is an excellent player of that there is no doubt but to get that sum when he was away in the summer for nothing is very good business.

[Jones28]

Folk compare the Scottish and English top leagues like they're the same thing which is the root of the problem. That's why Scottish football lost the big money when the authorities got too big for their boots and tried to demand extra.

Now we are in a position where clubs like PNE can pay X a week and we can't get anywhere near that.

[Jonnyboy]

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Certainly Preston were

[Ozyhibby]

Look at some of the countries withsmaller populations with better deals than us. To be fair, I don’t think any of them have Neil Doncaster on their negotiating teams.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Look at some of the countries withsmaller populations with better deals than us. To be fair, I don’t think any of them have Neil Doncaster on their negotiating teams.



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[Famous Fiver]

Did Finney fix the plumbing when he was here?

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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Probably deserves a thread of its own,
Thought I’d have a look at how clubs like PNE can outbid Hibs/Aberdeen etc for the likes of Moult.
It’s not a dig at PNE, but showing why, at the moment, we have no chance when English Championships clubs look at players in Scotland

Moult is signing for around £500k, and wages of around £10k per week!

Looking at their accounts up to 30th June 2017
Turnover was £11.9 million
Loss after taxation £852,000
Ave attendance was 12,611
Season ticket holders 7,605

It’s when you see the breakdown of their turnover, it’s obvious we are really poor relations in Scotland in TV revenue payments

Year to 2017
Season and match day ticket sales £3,699 million

Premier league and English football league distributions and televised games - £6,758 million (up from £4,759 million in 2017)

Commercial and media revenue - £1,255 million
Merchandising £104,000
Other income £140,000
Total £11,956,000

Over 56% of turnover from PL deals etc, unbelievable

There are at least 5 clubs in Scotland who are much bigger than PNE, so until we get a much much better TV deal, we just can’t compete

Scotland gets £20 million per season, divided by 12 clubs

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.s...-1-4348968/amp

Why should we expect to compete with teams in a different league, in a different country that is the fifth biggest amd richest league in europe?

Tv companies pay as little as they can get away with - they are not charities.

[Winston Ingram]

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Look at some of the countries withsmaller populations with better deals than us. To be fair, I don’t think any of them have Neil Doncaster on their negotiating teams.


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There's 5.4m in Scotland

The only one that has a smaller population than us on that graphic is Norway and it's only smaller by about 100k. The reason Norays is so high is down to the fact that the place is chronically expensive to live.

Also I'm pretty sure Sevco and Celtic split 50% of the £19m between them and the other 50% goes to the rest of us.

[easty]

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It's not like our viewing figures are that far behind those involving English sides to justify such a difference either.

Is that true?

[Winston Ingram]

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Is that true?

I'd be surprised if that's true. Outwith the OF games, the last figures i saw were that SPFL games were averaging around 100k viewers.

[Famous Fiver]

Does that include the 100,000 times I have watched Sir David Gray's goal at Hampden?

[ancient hibee]

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Did Finney fix the plumbing when he was here?

There was certainly a few Preston goals on tap.

[CMurdoch]

Denmark is the one that gets me.
Population very slightly higher than Scotland.
£46 million TV deal compared to our £19 million!!!

[heidtheba]

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Look at some of the countries withsmaller populations with better deals than us. To be fair, I don’t think any of them have Neil Doncaster on their negotiating teams.


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Can anyone tell me why Russia is so low? That was a shock.

[CMurdoch]

Denmark is the one that gets me.
Population very slightly higher than Scotland.
£46 million TV deal compared to our £19 million!!

This makes even less sense when you know that the average attendances in the top Danish league is less than 6,000 per match day which is pathetic against the top Scottish league average of 15,500. In essence we are 2.5 times more interested in football than the Danish.

[Ozyhibby]

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Can anyone tell me why Russia is so low? That was a shock.

Probably not a free market as we understand it.


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[Billy Whizz]

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Why should we expect to compete with teams in a different league, in a different country that is the fifth biggest amd richest league in europe?

Tv companies pay as little as they can get away with - they are not charities.

Ok grumpy pants. I was only making a comparison of teams competing for Louis Moult

[CMurdoch]

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Can anyone tell me why Russia is so low? That was a shock.

One explanation is that their average attendance in the top league is only 11,333 which is 4,000 less than the average attendance in the SPL.
Basically they are not as interested in football as us and despite their vast population not many folk go to their club games

[CMurdoch]

Average attendances in the SPL are only eclipsed by the top 2 leagues of Germany and England and the top leagues of Spain, Italy, France and Holland.
We are football daft in Scotland

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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Average attendances in the SPL are only eclipsed by the top 2 leagues of Germany and England and the top leagues of Spain, Italy, France and Holland.
We are football daft in Scotland

Whereas the people that run our game are just daft...

Wr need to be careful of averages though, as the OF skew that figure enormously - which backs up their argumet to take the lion share of the cash.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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Ok grumpy pants. I was only making a comparison of teams competing for Louis Moult

Sorry, i didnt mean that to come across as grumpy, i just think when people make the comparison it is unhelpful. It isnjust a much bigger and richer country and league than us.

[Diclonius]

You think it's bad now? In 2026 we'll be getting outbid by York City and Forest Green Rovers.