Efe Ambrose

[Smartie]

I'm not normally one to tear into players in the heat of the moment but I'm afraid I'm going to get stuck into this guy.

We were all at sea, in our own 6 yard box, within seconds of the game starting today and it didn't at any point get much better. We were lucky we didn't lose 5 or 6 goals and should be happy with our point.

I reckon Ambrose's lack of concentration, his laid-back nature, his questionable decision making and his error-proneness has infected our entire defence.

There's a lot of talk of how good he is coming out of the defence with the ball - ok, yes he is. Some of the wee turns he does are beautiful. But he is a defender, he is paid to stop us losing goals. Week in, week out we lose bad goals from his position on the park. We're also now seeing Paul Hanlon make the kind of mistakes he never used to make.

I wasn't impressed with Ambrose's delayed return at the start of the summer. He took a liberty, and suggested that there should be serious question marks over his attitude.

Ok, we're down a few defenders at the moment and we only have Porteous fit for cover. But this guy looks like he's on easy street, swanning about making gaffe after gaffe, yet seems to be the man the defence is built around.

There was talk of his "pipe and slippers" last season. Frankly, I think he'd found his level - he's a show pony who is only capable of strolling around mediocre players, not playing in a determined, focussed, concentrated fashion in a premier league side.

I'm concerned about Lennon's loyalty to him. Ambrose has not just had one poor game, he's just not cutting it. If McGregor or Fontaine (who have proven their ability, attitude and worth to this club time and time again) were available, he'd be nowhere near my team. Ambrose may keep his place in the team as dropping him for an untried youngster would be a risk, but Porteous looks to me to have what it takes - all he needs is a chance, and Hanlon, Gray and Stevenson would keep him right.

Ambrose is yet to show me that he has what it takes to play for us, I don't see it with him, and frankly he gets right on my thrupennies.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i actually think efe was ok today Marv was our best player imo and david gray had quite a good game

[Ilovehibs]

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I'm not normally one to tear into players in the heat of the moment but I'm afraid I'm going to get stuck into this guy.

We were all at sea, in our own 6 yard box, within seconds of the game starting today and it didn't at any point get much better. We were lucky we didn't lose 5 or 6 goals and should be happy with our point.

I reckon his Ambrose's of concentration, his laid-back nature, his questionable decision making and his error-proneness has infected our entire defence.

There's a lot of talk of how good he is coming out of the defence with the ball - ok, yes he is. Some of the wee turns he does are beautiful. But he is a defender, he is paid to stop us losing goals. Week in, week out we lose bad goals from his position on the park. We're also now seeing Paul Hanlon make the kind of mistakes he never used to make.

I wasn't impressed with Ambrose's delayed return at the start of the summer. He took a liberty, and suggested that there should be serious question marks over his attitude.

Ok, we're down a few defenders at the moment and we only have Porteous fit for cover. But this guy looks like he's on easy street, swanning about making gaffe after gaffe, yet seems to be the man the defence is built around.

There was talk of his "pipe and slippers" last season. Frankly, I think he'd found his level - he's a show pony who is only capable of strolling around mediocre players, not playing in a determined, focussed, concentrated fashion in a premier league side.

I'm concerned about Lennon's loyalty to him. Ambrose has not just had one poor game, he's just not cutting it. If McGregor or Fontaine (who have proven their ability, attitude and worth to this club time and time again) were available, he'd be nowhere near my team. Ambrose may keep his place in the team as dropping him for an untried youngster would be a risk, but Porteous looks to me to have what it takes - all he needs is a chance, and Hanlon, Gray and Stevenson would keep him right.

Ambrose is yet to show me that he has what it takes to play for us, I don't see it with him, and frankly he gets right on my thrupennies.

100% with you.

[Moody Blues]

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I'm not normally one to tear into players in the heat of the moment but I'm afraid I'm going to get stuck into this guy.

We were all at sea, in our own 6 yard box, within seconds of the game starting today and it didn't at any point get much better. We were lucky we didn't lose 5 or 6 goals and should be happy with our point.

I reckon his Ambrose's of concentration, his laid-back nature, his questionable decision making and his error-proneness has infected our entire defence.

There's a lot of talk of how good he is coming out of the defence with the ball - ok, yes he is. Some of the wee turns he does are beautiful. But he is a defender, he is paid to stop us losing goals. Week in, week out we lose bad goals from his position on the park. We're also now seeing Paul Hanlon make the kind of mistakes he never used to make.

I wasn't impressed with Ambrose's delayed return at the start of the summer. He took a liberty, and suggested that there should be serious question marks over his attitude.

Ok, we're down a few defenders at the moment and we only have Porteous fit for cover. But this guy looks like he's on easy street, swanning about making gaffe after gaffe, yet seems to be the man the defence is built around.

There was talk of his "pipe and slippers" last season. Frankly, I think he'd found his level - he's a show pony who is only capable of strolling around mediocre players, not playing in a determined, focussed, concentrated fashion in a premier league side.

I'm concerned about Lennon's loyalty to him. Ambrose has not just had one poor game, he's just not cutting it. If McGregor or Fontaine (who have proven their ability, attitude and worth to this club time and time again) were available, he'd be nowhere near my team. Ambrose may keep his place in the team as dropping him for an untried youngster would be a risk, but Porteous looks to me to have what it takes - all he needs is a chance, and Hanlon, Gray and Stevenson would keep him right.

Ambrose is yet to show me that he has what it takes to play for us, I don't see it with him, and frankly he gets right on my thrupennies.

Totally agree with this post. Would rather see Porteous get his chance.

[heretoday]

He and Hanlon were OK first half apart from one howler. Second half not so.

[hibeg]

For such a tall guy he hardly seems to win anything in the air. Lost count of the number of times Motherwell flick ons put us in trouble
Get Porteous into the team !

[Hibernia&Alba]

We all know what Ambrose is: completely unpredictable. Some games he can look a class act; others he's like Bambi on ice. You just never know what you're going to get on any given day. We will have to take the rough with the smooth. I'm not his biggest fan at all, but we're hardly spoilt for choice.

[neil7908]

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i actually think efe was ok today Marv was our best player imo and david gray had quite a good game

Good shout about Marv. He's hardly been mentioned but I thought he was really good not just defensively but also going forward. Normally he is great at the defensive stuff but awful once he gets past the half way line. Today though he moved the ball really well. Simple stuff but always found a green jersey.

[macca70]

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He and Hanlon were OK first half apart from one howler. Second half not so.

Take it you didn't see his pass back to Marciano in 1st half that he launched 50 yards into the air, then his next attempted clearance went 50 yards high and back into our own box!!

[wookie70]

Ambrose just needs to concentrate on defending. He is a decent defender but is hugely prone to taking chances and can wander a bit from his centre half position leaving big gaps. He has played that way since he came to Scotland so we either like it or lump it. If everyone is fit I would start McGregor and Hanlon in every game and Fonts would be my next choice. I also want to see Ryan Porteous get some game time if we continue to concede such poor goals and with our current injuries. He looked very good against Sunderland and everyone else he played against. Effe for me would not start games when everyone is fit.

[yonder1875]

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i actually think efe was ok today Marv was our best player imo and david gray had quite a good game

Stokes for me.

[we are hibs]

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Take it you didn't see his pass back to Marciano in 1st half that he launched 50 yards into the air, then his next attempted clearance went 50 yards high and back into our own box!!

A big lump 50 yards in the air, Marciano playing him back a big 50 yard lump in the air before Ambrose gave him another 50 yard lump in the air back. We are comically bad at the back at times, Hanlon making a good tackle then trying to dribble it out with his head on the ground too.

[J-C]

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I'm not normally one to tear into players in the heat of the moment but I'm afraid I'm going to get stuck into this guy.

We were all at sea, in our own 6 yard box, within seconds of the game starting today and it didn't at any point get much better. We were lucky we didn't lose 5 or 6 goals and should be happy with our point.

I reckon Ambrose's lack of concentration, his laid-back nature, his questionable decision making and his error-proneness has infected our entire defence.

There's a lot of talk of how good he is coming out of the defence with the ball - ok, yes he is. Some of the wee turns he does are beautiful. But he is a defender, he is paid to stop us losing goals. Week in, week out we lose bad goals from his position on the park. We're also now seeing Paul Hanlon make the kind of mistakes he never used to make.

I wasn't impressed with Ambrose's delayed return at the start of the summer. He took a liberty, and suggested that there should be serious question marks over his attitude.

Ok, we're down a few defenders at the moment and we only have Porteous fit for cover. But this guy looks like he's on easy street, swanning about making gaffe after gaffe, yet seems to be the man the defence is built around.

There was talk of his "pipe and slippers" last season. Frankly, I think he'd found his level - he's a show pony who is only capable of strolling around mediocre players, not playing in a determined, focussed, concentrated fashion in a premier league side.

I'm concerned about Lennon's loyalty to him. Ambrose has not just had one poor game, he's just not cutting it. If McGregor or Fontaine (who have proven their ability, attitude and worth to this club time and time again) were available, he'd be nowhere near my team. Ambrose may keep his place in the team as dropping him for an untried youngster would be a risk, but Porteous looks to me to have what it takes - all he needs is a chance, and Hanlon, Gray and Stevenson would keep him right.

Ambrose is yet to show me that he has what it takes to play for us, I don't see it with him, and frankly he gets right on my thrupennies.

Saves me typing all that.

[penihibs]

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i actually think efe was ok today Marv was our best player imo and david gray had quite a good game

Come on Stokes was head and shoulders above them all.

[O'Rourke3]

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A big lump 50 yards in the air, Marciano playing him back a big 50 yard lump in the air before Ambrose gave him another 50 yard lump in the air back. We are comically bad at the back at times, Hanlon making a good tackle then trying to dribble it out with his head on the ground too.

Need to see the game again but thought Moults challenge and last touch put the ball as high. Rocky should/may have caught it instead of the first relaunch. Efe's second effort was indeed awful.

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[pacorosssco]

Big keeper had worst game in hibs top today but its a tea game. Id say Hibs lucky to get point. Motherwell created many chances over 90. Defence needs to tighten up in general but at 2 up team should have seen out.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

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Take it you didn't see his pass back to Marciano in 1st half that he launched 50 yards into the air, then his next attempted clearance went 50 yards high and back into our own box!!

That was one of the worst pieces of defending I've seen in a while. At the start of the season I thought the defence was the strongest part of our team, now I think it's our weakest.

[Forza Fred]

Thought Efe was mostly ok today, with his undoubted skill on the ball allowing him to escape from a couple of dodgy decisions he made as to where to turn....possibly the mark of a VERY skilful player.

Having said that, I will say that I hold my breath every time when closely marking his man on the edge of the box he decides to step in front of him to try and intercept the pass to him!

If he doesn't get the ball he enables unfettered access to the recipient to have a dig.

That's what led to the second goal and a similar thing happened in a previous. Game...Hamilton I think.

Much prefer he stands firm and blocks the striker....but He chooses not to, possibly down to over confidence.

[Sammy7nil]

Efe is not the problem, there are plenty problems.

[Captain Trips]

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We all know what Ambrose is: completely unpredictable. Some games he can look a class act; others he's like Bambi on ice. You just never know what you're going to get on any given day. We will have to take the rough with the smooth. I'm not his biggest fan at all, but we're hardly spoilt for choice.

Unpredictable players upfront yeah ok, unpredictable players on the wing ok I can live with that. Unpredictable players at centre of defence that could be trouble.

I think Efe is good when striding forward however he is a player that worries me.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Stokes for me.

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Come on Stokes was head and shoulders above them all.

i must have had a memory black-out with that post...stokesy did indeed have a very good game as well

[Dunbar Hibee]

He was dreadful today.

[Dunbar Hibee]

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i actually think efe was ok today Marv was our best player imo and david gray had quite a good game

Really? IMO our back 4 were absolutely horrendous.

[Steve20]

The whole team simply can't defend, not just Efe. The opposition score with almost every attack this season, we are a shambles at the back.

Stokes was man of the match by a mile. Our only player that looks like doing a thing in the final third.

[RoscoHibby]

This thread should be linked to the formation/can't play wingers one. Defence was exposed time and again so of course they are going to look worse.

Agree the volleyball in our own box was ridiculous though..

[Winston Ingram]

Totally agree with the OP.

He's great in a team that doesn't need to defend

[FitbaFolkKen]

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I'm not normally one to tear into players in the heat of the moment but I'm afraid I'm going to get stuck into this guy.

We were all at sea, in our own 6 yard box, within seconds of the game starting today and it didn't at any point get much better. We were lucky we didn't lose 5 or 6 goals and should be happy with our point.

I reckon Ambrose's lack of concentration, his laid-back nature, his questionable decision making and his error-proneness has infected our entire defence.

There's a lot of talk of how good he is coming out of the defence with the ball - ok, yes he is. Some of the wee turns he does are beautiful. But he is a defender, he is paid to stop us losing goals. Week in, week out we lose bad goals from his position on the park. We're also now seeing Paul Hanlon make the kind of mistakes he never used to make.

I wasn't impressed with Ambrose's delayed return at the start of the summer. He took a liberty, and suggested that there should be serious question marks over his attitude.

Ok, we're down a few defenders at the moment and we only have Porteous fit for cover. But this guy looks like he's on easy street, swanning about making gaffe after gaffe, yet seems to be the man the defence is built around.

There was talk of his "pipe and slippers" last season. Frankly, I think he'd found his level - he's a show pony who is only capable of strolling around mediocre players, not playing in a determined, focussed, concentrated fashion in a premier league side.

I'm concerned about Lennon's loyalty to him. Ambrose has not just had one poor game, he's just not cutting it. If McGregor or Fontaine (who have proven their ability, attitude and worth to this club time and time again) were available, he'd be nowhere near my team. Ambrose may keep his place in the team as dropping him for an untried youngster would be a risk, but Porteous looks to me to have what it takes - all he needs is a chance, and Hanlon, Gray and Stevenson would keep him right.

Ambrose is yet to show me that he has what it takes to play for us, I don't see it with him, and frankly he gets right on my thrupennies.

Hanlon looked like he was getting really frustrated with him and they were arguing after we scored our second.



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[JimBHibees]

Very poor yesterday doesn't get anywhere near close enough to forwards. Moult was able to drop in unchallenged over and over again. Stupid foul given away for first goal horrifically try to nick the ball for second goal allowing Moult to turn and hit.

[Eyrie]

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Thought Efe was mostly ok today, with his undoubted skill on the ball allowing him to escape from a couple of dodgy decisions he made as to where to turn....possibly the mark of a VERY skilful player.

Having said that, I will say that I hold my breath every time when closely marking his man on the edge of the box he decides to step in front of him to try and intercept the pass to him!

If he doesn't get the ball he enables unfettered access to the recipient to have a dig.

That's what led to the second goal and a similar thing happened in a previous. Game...Hamilton I think.

Much prefer he stands firm and blocks the striker....but He chooses not to, possibly down to over confidence.

It was the opener against Partick where he missed the interception and let their player in to score.

I'm not comfortable with Ambrose as part of a back four due to his risk taking on the ball when being closed down. There is a feeling of nervousness followed by amusement when he gets away with it, but it leaves us very exposed when he doesn't. Once McGregor is fit I'd either drop Ambrose or play him in the middle of a back three so that we have decent cover if his attempts to retain possession don't work out.

[J-C]

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Efe is not the problem, there are plenty problems.

Not the main problem but definitely one of them, he was brutal yesterday, missing headers, clearances and losing his man all too often.