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    And there were doubts about ADV's stamina too. Great ride to get him on the inside and give him the rail in the final furlong. Is he down for the St Leger?
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    I'm having a wee read of Robin Oakley's 'Britain and Ireland's top 100 racehorses of all time'. I remember Robin as the BBC political editor; it turns out he's a big racing fan, and it's a nice bit of light reading, covering both flat and jumps. His notable horses of rank:

    1, Arkle
    2, Frankel
    3, Brigadier Gerard
    4, Sea The Stars
    5, Sea Bird
    10, Red Rum
    13, Nijinsky
    14, Flyingbolt
    17, Dancing Brave
    20,L'Escargot
    23, Dawn Run
    31, Desert Orchid
    32, Shergar
    37, Denman
    39, Mill House

    Well worth a browse, if you haven't already done so.
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    I'm having a wee read of Robin Oakley's 'Britain and Ireland's top 100 racehorses of all time'. I remember Robin as the BBC political editor; it turns out he's a big racing fan, and it's a nice bit of light reading, covering both flat and jumps. His notable horses of rank:

    1, Arkle
    2, Frankel
    3, Brigadier Gerard
    4, Sea The Stars
    5, Sea Bird
    10, Red Rum
    13, Nijinsky
    14, Flyingbolt
    17, Dancing Brave
    20,L'Escargot
    23, Dawn Run
    31, Desert Orchid
    32, Shergar
    37, Denman
    39, Mill House

    Well worth a browse, if you haven't already done so.
    His book Sixty Years of Jump Racing is a great read as well.

    Personally I've increasingly been persuaded that Sea The Stars may have been a superior horse to Frankel albeit not as visually stunning. I also like that he gives Kauto Star the credit he deserves, there appears a trend amongst some in racing to downplay just how brilliant he was.

    By a different author I'd also recommend the book Dream Horse about Dream Alliance; there's a documentary on Netflix of the same name. It's just a great story.

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    His book Sixty Years of Jump Racing is a great read as well.

    Personally I've increasingly been persuaded that Sea The Stars may have been a superior horse to Frankel albeit not as visually stunning. I also like that he gives Kauto Star the credit he deserves, there appears a trend amongst some in racing to downplay just how brilliant he was.

    By a different author I'd also recommend the book Dream Horse about Dream Alliance; there's a documentary on Netflix of the same name. It's just a great story.
    I will take a look, PB, in addition to Oakley's book on jump racing.

    Talked about the book with my dad, who isn't happy his all time favourite, Nijinsky, is rated thirteenth by Oakley. "If there's ever been a better horse on the flat, I'm a Hearts man" is his view, along with "put Frankel up for a triple crown, then we'll talk" . He's also miffed that Dessie is ranked 'only' 31. "You're telling me there has been thirty better than the great grey"? I think Dessie won him a big wedge over the years, hence the unwavering loyalty.
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    I will take a look, PB, in addition to Oakley's book on jump racing.

    Talked about the book with my dad, who isn't happy his all time favourite, Nijinsky, is rated thirteenth by Oakley. "If there's ever been a better horse on the flat, I'm a Hearts man" is his view, along with "put Frankel up for a triple crown, then we'll talk" . He's also miffed that Dessie is ranked 'only' 31. "You're telling me there has been thirty better than the great grey"? I think Dessie won him a big wedge over the years, hence the unwavering loyalty.
    Tbh I'd rate Dessie higher as well; above both Red Rum and Kauto Star and, as you can maybe tell, I loved Kauto.

    Dessie was able to carry huge weights (12 stone 3lbs in the Racing Post Chase and 12 stone in the Irish National) and could win of level weights, won over 2 miles right up to 3 miles 2f and won a Gold Cup on ground he despised. He was my Grandads favourite and we were at Kempton, I was 4 or 5, when he fell in his final race. The winner, The Fellow, got a decent ovation but Dessie got up, after a nasty, tired fall, and raised the roof when he cantered past the stands thinking he had won. I've never seen a reception like it since for a beaten horse.
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    Tbh I'd rate Dessie higher as well; above both Red Rum and Kauto Star and, as you can maybe tell, I loved Kauto.

    Dessie was able to carry huge weights (12 stone 3lbs in the Racing Post Chase and 12 stone in the Irish National) and could win of level weights, won over 2 miles right up to 3 miles 2f and won a Gold Cup on ground he despised. He was my Grandads favourite and we were at Kempton, I was 4 or 5, when he fell in his final race. The winner, The Fellow, got a decent ovation but Dessie got up, after a nasty, tired fall, and raised the roof when he cantered past the stands thinking he had won. I've never seen a reception like it since for a beaten horse.

    Very few (perhaps only Red Rum) ever enjoyed the love of the public in the way Desert Orchid did. His last race, which you mention. The old boy was past his best but still adored and cheered the most:

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    Very few (perhaps only Red Rum) ever enjoyed the love of the public in the way Desert Orchid did. His last race, which you mention. The old boy was past his best but still adored and cheered the most:

    I never witnessed that but, I've mentioned it before, the reception Persian Punch used to get at York was amazing for a flat horse. There's something special about being at a racecourse when a horse doesn't win but, you can feel the love flowing down from the stands. Non punters just won't get it.

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    I never witnessed that but, I've mentioned it before, the reception Persian Punch used to get at York was amazing for a flat horse. There's something special about being at a racecourse when a horse doesn't win but, you can feel the love flowing down from the stands. Non punters just won't get it.
    I've just watched a few of his races on You Tube. He really was a crowd favourite, and it's as if the cheers got him across the line on a couple of occasions! Desert Orchid seems incomparable to me in terms of public adoration in my lifetime, as Red Rum was before my time. Perhaps Altior or Tiger Roll are next in line for that title? However, not even Tiger Roll, with his back-to-back Nationals seems to captivate the public as Rummy and Dessie did. I remember my dad being genuinely moved when the death of each was announced, as if an old friend had passed on. As you said, you probably have to be a racing fan to understand.
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    It's always interesting to hear different peoples opinions about horse racing, whether it's flat or jumps. The 2 best flat horses, for me, were Ribot, the brilliant unbeaten Italian horse who won the King George and the Arc amongst other Grade 1 races, and Secretariat, the legendary American horse who was almost a freak of nature.

    Over the jumps I would have chosen Moscow Flyer and Sprinter Sacre, for different reasons.

    All about opinions, it's fascinating reading others opinions even if they don't agree with mine!

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