Kevin Thomson on Butcher

[Winston Ingram]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...cher-1-4422738

[1van Sprou7e]

He's probably not wrong, it's actually quite impressive how terrible Butcher was as our manager

[Col2]

I see Malpas has rejoined ICT.

Oh well that's them 100% down then.

[CallumLaidlaw]

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He's probably not wrong, it's actually quite impressive how terrible Butcher was as our manager

Especially after looking quite decent in the first 2 months. Anyway, whats done is done, we're going back up with record crowds, with a Scottish cup in the bag and with good people in charge of the club. We may well have continued trudging along in the bottom 6 with crowds around 8k if we'd stayed up. Who knows.

[snooky]

"I was a bit disappointed when he told the media I’d said I couldn’t cope with playing for a top-flight team. I never said that. We had agreed what we were going to say – that I’d had enough of travelling and I was getting frustrated with my body and I was potentially thinking about retiring. But I could certainly cope with playing Premier League football. I played it all my life."

I love that bit the best. Deja vu all over again.

[Roxyhibee]

Although Hamilton Sunday was horrendous, even if we'd stayed up I wouldn't want that now.

Still with Butcher as manager (or maybe worse, Malpas as a replacement). Still with Rod at the helm. Sitting 8th in the league.

No Scottish Cup glory, no Leanne, no Hendo, no McGinn, no Lennon, etc.

No thanks. Happy just the way it all worked out.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

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Although Hamilton Sunday was horrendous, even if we'd stayed up I wouldn't want that now.

Still with Butcher as manager (or maybe worse, Malpas as a replacement). Still with Rod at the helm. Sitting 8th in the league.

No Scottish Cup glory, no Leanne, no Hendo, no McGinn, no Lennon, etc.

No thanks. Happy just the way it all worked out.

This!

[Radium]

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Although Hamilton Sunday was horrendous, even if we'd stayed up I wouldn't want that now.

Still with Butcher as manager (or maybe worse, Malpas as a replacement). Still with Rod at the helm. Sitting 8th in the league.

No Scottish Cup glory, no Leanne, no Hendo, no McGinn, no Lennon, etc.

No thanks. Happy just the way it all worked out.

LD was already coming to us and I don't think that staying up would have made her change her mind. She sacked butcher after listening to his plans ...

we are the Scottish Cup Holders and that takes away a lot of the 'ifs' from the past couple of seasons


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[IAmLee]

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Although Hamilton Sunday was horrendous, even if we'd stayed up I wouldn't want that now.

Still with Butcher as manager (or maybe worse, Malpas as a replacement). Still with Rod at the helm. Sitting 8th in the league.

No Scottish Cup glory, no Leanne, no Hendo, no McGinn, no Lennon, etc.

No thanks. Happy just the way it all worked out.

We'd have Leeann, she agreed to come before we were relegated, I'd like to think she would have sacked butcher but who knows!!

[FilipinoHibs]

Sometimes you have to go through pain to live life again. EC.

[ACLeith]

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We'd have Leeann, she agreed to come before we were relegated, I'd like to think she would have sacked butcher but who knows!!

Her track record indicates she would have seen through the charlatan. She sacked him after one meeting when he returned from holiday IIRC.

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Her track record indicates she would have seen through the charlatan. She sacked him after one meeting when he returned from holiday IIRC.

I may be doing him an injustice, but I find it very difficult to envisage Butcher being happy working for Leeann - or taking instructions from any woman, frankly.

I think the fact that he took his holidays when he did tells the whole story, frankly. The guy was an unreconstructed Neanderthal who never had his heart anywhere near the job.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

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I see Malpas has rejoined ICT.

Oh well that's them 100% down then.

Reckon that's a precursor to clean getting his jotters and the 'dream team' coming back.😂

[21.05.2016]

Pretty much sums up what we already knew about Butcher and his horrible wee sidekick Malpass. Destroyed any morale, any confidence and split a dressing room when we were fighting for our lives. He should have been pulling everybody together, rally the players and creating - as Thompson put in his article - a team of warriors who were gonna fight and give absolutely everything to keep us up.

Butchers a clown, he knows **** all about how to manage a team. How he still get a punditry gig is beyond me, he's a dinosaur. The last time I watched a game where he was co-commentating, you could here the lead commenter getting increasingly embarrassed byt some of the things Butcher was coming out with. I guess it just shows you how much you can live off simply being an ex-hun in this country.

[21.05.2016]

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Although Hamilton Sunday was horrendous, even if we'd stayed up I wouldn't want that now.

Still with Butcher as manager (or maybe worse, Malpas as a replacement). Still with Rod at the helm. Sitting 8th in the league.

No Scottish Cup glory, no Leanne, no Hendo, no McGinn, no Lennon, etc.

No thanks. Happy just the way it all worked out.

I agree. Relegation will never be reflected on as a good thing, our club should have never been able to fall that far, the rot should have been stopped years before but it sparked the re-birth of our club. For too long we were just getting by, accepting team after team of mediocre players and accepting mediocracy in general. There is a new standard set at the club now and the whole club has been totally transformed.

Perhaps we had to experience that rock bottom to spark the vital changes but I hope to god we never ever end up in the same state ever again, massive lessons need to have learned from this.

[Hibby70]

Bizarrely due to what has happened to us since he left i don't hate him as much as i probably should.

I have a much bigger dislike of Colin Calderwood for example.

[SirDavidsNapper]

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Bizarrely due to what has happened to us since he left i don't hate him as much as i probably should.

I have a much bigger dislike of Colin Calderwood for example.

Same. I don't hate Butcher. He was just a clueless idiot. Calderwood is a hatred. The packet of sweets chat still boils my blood.

[21.05.2016]

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Bizarrely due to what has happened to us since he left i don't hate him as much as i probably should.

I have a much bigger dislike of Colin Calderwood for example.

Colin Calderwood was another absolute clown who couldn't give a **** about hibs or the job he was doing. One of the most gutless, uninspiring, disinterested managers that i've ever seen manage hibs. One of the worst managerial appointments in all my time watching hibs.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...you_choose___/


^ Sums him up in one article

[Robinho08]

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Although Hamilton Sunday was horrendous, even if we'd stayed up I wouldn't want that now.

Still with Butcher as manager (or maybe worse, Malpas as a replacement). Still with Rod at the helm. Sitting 8th in the league.

No Scottish Cup glory, no Leanne, no Hendo, no McGinn, no Lennon, etc.

No thanks. Happy just the way it all worked out.

Agreed, Hibs and Petrie needed a wake up call. If we'd survived relegation, it probably would have delayed the inevitable anyway and no guarantee of winning the Scottish cup either.

[Smartie]

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Same. I don't hate Butcher. He was just a clueless idiot. Calderwood is a hatred. The packet of sweets chat still boils my blood.

Yep, me too.

When Calderwood came in we still had something to work with after Yogi.

Calderwood was an absolutely abysmal appointment and the steepest part of our decline came when he was in charge.

We were in such a state when he took over it made Fenlon's job close to impossible. Fenlon did really well to patch the team up and achieve what he did with so many short-term signings but when we lost Doyle and Griffiths all our weaknesses came to the fore.

We've done the argument to death on here about whether we would have been relegated under Fenlon, but I honestly think we might have - not that that was entirely his fault. He had Petrie at his worst as chairman and put together the most imbalanced, impotent (from an attacking point of view) squad that we've ever had. Any manager would have struggled to get them to score goals. Ok, we might have scraped enough points to stay up because of our mean defence, but I'm not convinced, and I think Pat knew that himself.

Yes, Butcher got it badly wrong. But I don't think it's as easy as KT makes out - when you get into these downward spirals they are horrible to get out of. Whenever you lose the first goal, you're as good as beaten (maybe the point Butcher was trying to make with his infamous quote). We needed to strengthen that January. There was no place for "one in one out" talk. We needed goals, and we needed them badly, and we have paid a very heavy price indeed.


It's easier to blether in the papers though than stick your neck on the block and actually try to do the job. It will be interesting to see how McCann gets on.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

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Yep, me too.

When Calderwood came in we still had something to work with after Yogi.

Calderwood was an absolutely abysmal appointment and the steepest part of our decline came when he was in charge.

We were in such a state when he took over it made Fenlon's job close to impossible. Fenlon did really well to patch the team up and achieve what he did with so many short-term signings but when we lost Doyle and Griffiths all our weaknesses came to the fore.

We've done the argument to death on here about whether we would have been relegated under Fenlon, but I honestly think we might have - not that that was entirely his fault. He had Petrie at his worst as chairman and put together the most imbalanced, impotent (from an attacking point of view) squad that we've ever had. Any manager would have struggled to get them to score goals. Ok, we might have scraped enough points to stay up because of our mean defence, but I'm not convinced, and I think Pat knew that himself.

Yes, Butcher got it badly wrong. But I don't think it's as easy as KT makes out - when you get into these downward spirals they are horrible to get out of. Whenever you lose the first goal, you're as good as beaten (maybe the point Butcher was trying to make with his infamous quote). We needed to strengthen that January. There was no place for "one in one out" talk. We needed goals, and we needed them badly, and we have paid a very heavy price indeed.


It's easier to blether in the papers though than stick your neck on the block and actually try to do the job. It will be interesting to see how McCann gets on.

The blethering in the papers is something Kevin Thomson has always been very good at, he's never struck me as particularly brave enough to be a manager himself though.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Same. I don't hate Butcher. He was just a clueless idiot. Calderwood is a hatred. The packet of sweets chat still boils my blood.

Hate is a very strong word. I try to reserve that for the worst type of miscreants in society, not terrible football managers. I don't hate the man, but I have zero respect for him: a total incompetent and a fraud as a manager. I shall never forgive him for the way he contrived our collapse and relegation. Having no manager couldn't have been any worse. He's a walloper.

[Lago]

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Although Hamilton Sunday was horrendous, even if we'd stayed up I wouldn't want that now.

Still with Butcher as manager (or maybe worse, Malpas as a replacement). Still with Rod at the helm. Sitting 8th in the league.

No Scottish Cup glory, no Leanne, no Hendo, no McGinn, no Lennon, etc.

No thanks. Happy just the way it all worked out.

I like to think of it as a cleansing and re birth of a great club.

[Iggy Pope]

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Hate is a very strong word. I try to reserve that for the worst type of miscreants in society, not terrible football managers. I don't hate the man, but I have zero respect for him: a total incompetent and a fraud as a manager. I shall never forgive him for the way he contrived our collapse and relegation. Having no manager couldn't have been any worse. He's a walloper.

????? Zero respect, total incompetent, fraud, contrived the collapse of our dear club because he is, indeed, a walloper. I hate him and you should too. He's a miscreant of my society and I helped pay the *******s wages.

[Jim44]

I vividly rememember, when Butcher came to ER, we were encouraged to look at a YouTube video of him giving a presentation down south to a middle management group. His talk was about managing, motivational techniques and man-management. At the time, although some folk seems to be impressed with this performance, I thought his presentation was useless and cringeworthy. His subsequent demise and our lacklustre relegation was inevitable once the charlatan was found out and, in retrospect, his removal was the best thing to happen to us in years.

[The Spaceman]

I've actually really enjoyed the past 3 seasons - incredible lows and even more incredible highs. The fact we are about to smash our season ticket record shows the rebirth of the club and the fact that many fans feel the same way as me. Whilst I obviously never want us to be in the Championship ever again, it will be funny going back to the same dull one horse race league...

[Hibernia&Alba]

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????? Zero respect, total incompetent, fraud, contrived the collapse of our dear club because he is, indeed, a walloper. I hate him and you should too. He's a miscreant of my society and I helped pay the *******s wages.

Fair point; I'm too soft for my own good.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Colin Calderwood was another absolute clown who couldn't give a **** about hibs or the job he was doing. One of the most gutless, uninspiring, disinterested managers that i've ever seen manage hibs. One of the worst managerial appointments in all my time watching hibs.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...you_choose___/


^ Sums him up in one article

The more you look into the circumstances surrounding his appointment the more bizarre it appears and then you throw in Adams - forced succession planning only to free him to return to our rivals - Bizarre.

We have no divine right to inspired/enlightened managers but boy have we gone through more than our fair share of crap. I doubt whether LD would have been able to remedy the situation Calderwood got himself into but then again she probably wouldn't have appointed him and when the shenanigans started he would have been out the door.
The trick is to maintain the run of good luck managers that have come our way with LD...

[AgentDaleCooper]

butcher is an absolute ball bag, i wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire - same goes for calderwood - but in the end, butcher's appointment may have been for the best. we bottomed out big time under him, but the upswing has been proportionately massive. If relegation was the price for being where we are now, I'm very happy with how things turned out

[Enough said]

When we went down it woke our cub up again let's takes positives from negatives . Onwards and upwards ... here we go 2 in a row