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    Just realised today budget response is likely to be delivered by Corbyn. Absolutely useless from Labour.


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    It's an irrelevance what Corbyn has to say these days. It's only when I catch a rare sighting of him on TV that I remember he's still Labour leader. The lights may still be on but nobody's listening.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Just realised today budget response is likely to be delivered by Corbyn. Absolutely useless from Labour.


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    Yes, it is the convention that the LOTO delivers the budget response, for whatever reason.

    I was working today and only caught some segments of his response on TV news but he didn't come across as great.

    Made worse by Sunak being able to present a budget with an impression of the spending taps being turned on. While a cold analysis by the IFS will be helpful, the Tories can easily spin this in a positive light for now and Corbyn simply isn't able to adequately hold them to account.
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    Caught a glimpse of the lesser spotted Jezza earlier still trying to cling to the punctured liferaft of Corbynism and claiming that the fact the world hasn't got enough ventilators to cope with a global pandemic proves that his scattergun spending election policy was right all along

    He was, I think, the most useless party leader in my lifetime, but at least he gave me a laugh before he bows out next week.

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    Tories up 9% Labour down 5%.

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    Sir Keir Starmer is elected leader. Everything that is wrong with the party right there. A knight of the realm as leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenlex View Post
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    Sir Keir Starmer is elected leader. Everything that is wrong with the party these days. A knight of the realm as leader.
    Son of a nurse and toolmaker, poorer background than Corbyn. Worked hard to become a barrister and specialised in human rights (unlike Wrong Daily who went into corporate law).

    Far more credible than the other candidates and a good result. Momentum crybabies out in force on social media today. When the Tory enablers are upset it can only be a good thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by greenlex View Post
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    Sir Keir Starmer is elected leader. Everything that is wrong with the party right there. A knight of the realm as leader.
    He earned that title.

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    Son of a nurse and toolmaker, poorer background than Corbyn. Worked hard to become a barrister and specialised in human rights (unlike Wrong Daily who went into corporate law).

    Far more credible than the other candidates and a good result. Momentum crybabies out in force on social media today. When the Tory enablers are upset it can only be a good thing.
    Spot on. We can debate the honours system all day but Starmer earned his position.

    The suggestion from some seems to be that he should have 'known his place' and stuck to the local polytechnic. No one seems to hate social mobility more than socialists.
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    Momentum with a horrendous statement about how they’ll hold him to account etc etc etc.

    If it was revealed that Momentum was in fact a Tory idea my eyebrow would remain unraised.


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    I'm not a Labour man, but people need an electable Labour party or we'll end up with a repeat (or worse) of the 17 years of Tory rule from 1979. You can be as romantically idealist about a genuine Socialist government all you like, but the reality is the British public won't put a left wing party into power. It was the lesson Labour learned in the 90s, and needs to remember now. I quite like Starmer, he always comes across well and I think he might just have the ability to lead a revival.

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    Right appointment for me, if they can squeeze monentum out soon and become an effective representative opposition again I will actively support my party again.

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    Sir Keir Starmer is elected leader. Everything that is wrong with the party right there. A knight of the realm as leader.
    It's that kind of mindset which has seen Labour lose the last four elections. It's not only rich or posh folk who are awarded knighthoods and if you look at Starmer's biography he's deserving of the honour. If anything he's from a significantly less priviliged background than Corbyn yet gets tarred by the Momentum nutjobs as 'too posh' because of the title in front of his name.

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    I'm not a Labour man, but people need an electable Labour party or we'll end up with a repeat (or worse) of the 17 years of Tory rule from 1979. You can be as romantically idealist about a genuine Socialist government all you like, but the reality is the British public won't put a left wing party into power. It was the lesson Labour learned in the 90s, and needs to remember now. I quite like Starmer, he always comes across well and I think he might just have the ability to lead a revival.
    We'll already be close to 15 years by the time the next election comes around.

    Yes, Starmer appears to be the first sensible choice as Labour leader in many years. Remains to be seen if he's actually a good leader of course, but he's already setting the right tone by pledging to work with the government on coronavirus and not to use it as a vehicle for political point scoring. He'll also hopefully have the good sense to steer Labour gently back towards the central ground where they might actually be taken seriously again.

    Corbyn, on the other hand, bowed out with a deranged claim that the global pandemic has proved that his policies were right all along. A lesson in how not to take your leave as party leader, if we needed any reminding about his haplessness. Classic far left attempt to portray themselves as the true winners even in the wake of crushing defeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenlex View Post
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    Sir Keir Starmer is elected leader. Everything that is wrong with the party right there. A knight of the realm as leader.
    He’s a ‘knight of the realm’ as a direct result of his work as a barrister and DPP. If that disqualifies someone from being a Leader of the Opposition then we deserve everything we get when we’ve got incompetent twats running the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonhibby View Post
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    Right appointment for me, if they can squeeze monentum out soon and become an effective representative opposition again I will actively support my party again.

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    Johanna Baxter and Gurinder Singh Josan have been chosen to replace Corbynites Navendu Mishra and Claudia Webbe as local party representatives on the NEC.

    This is an excellent result. Hopefully, Jennie Formby will be heading for the exit now as well!!

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    We'll already be close to 15 years by the time the next election comes around.

    Yes, Starmer appears to be the first sensible choice as Labour leader in many years. Remains to be seen if he's actually a good leader of course, but he's already setting the right tone by pledging to work with the government on coronavirus and not to use it as a vehicle for political point scoring. He'll also hopefully have the good sense to steer Labour gently back towards the central ground where they might actually be taken seriously again.

    Corbyn, on the other hand, bowed out with a deranged claim that the global pandemic has proved that his policies were right all along. A lesson in how not to take your leave as party leader, if we needed any reminding about his haplessness. Classic far left attempt to portray themselves as the true winners even in the wake of crushing defeat.
    Aye, scary how quickly the years seem to pass as you get older! I'd prefer a more left wing government than the one led by Blair, but the fact is the Labour party can't help the people they represent by languishing in perpetual opposition; especially when the Tories have the sort of majority Corbyn's disastrous leadership handed to them in December.

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    Will be very interesting see if/how this London lawyer can increase Labours vote share in Scotland.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Curried View Post
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    Will be very interesting see if/how this London lawyer can increase Labours vote share in Scotland.
    I’m not sure concentrating on how a kid from a working class family managed to get knighted for his professional achievements before becoming a leading politician is much of a strategy fwiw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curried View Post
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    Will be very interesting see if/how this London lawyer can increase Labours vote share in Scotland.

    If Labour’s vote share in Scotland is to increase then it will need the importance of Scotland to the Labour Party to be understood by the London part of the party.

    The fact that he’s a lawyer is neither here nor there and during the campaign Starmer seemed to be the most conciliatory towards Scotland and make the least daft comments.

    The mentioning of his knighthood and his occupation on this thread demonstrate exactly where the Labour Party have gone wrong. He is a working class lad who has grafted, clearly had ability, been given an opportunity, achieved great things but most importantly wants everyone to be able to do what he’s done.

    The sneering at him is disgraceful. The Labour Party have stopped being a party of opportunity and they’ve needed to rectify that situation for some time. Hopefully he’ll do just that. There are many people across the UK who possess his ability but will never get opportunities under the Tories, and Tories are all we’ll ever get whilst Momentum hold the influence they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    The sneering at him is disgraceful. The Labour Party have stopped being a party of opportunity and they’ve needed to rectify that situation for some time. Hopefully he’ll do just that. There are many people across the UK who possess his ability but will never get opportunities under the Tories,.
    Very well put. I'm unsure as to whether the calibre of person or politician exists in Scottish Labour for them to have a resurgence but that could be said for the SNP 16-20 years ago.

    If the new labour leader wants to engineer a genuinely effective Scottish Labour Party there a mass of deadwood to get rid of in personnel and attitudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideBurns View Post
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    Aye, scary how quickly the years seem to pass as you get older! I'd prefer a more left wing government than the one led by Blair, but the fact is the Labour party can't help the people they represent by languishing in perpetual opposition; especially when the Tories have the sort of majority Corbyn's disastrous leadership handed to them in December.
    This. The saying “don’t let the best get in the way of acceptable”, springs to mind. No use hanging onto principles that the British public are not interested in.

    Labour will do no good if they languish in Opposition with “great principles” while the gaslighting Tories have a clear reign post COVID to dismantle the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
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    Very well put. I'm unsure as to whether the calibre of person or politician exists in Scottish Labour for them to have a resurgence but that could be said for the SNP 16-20 years ago.

    If the new labour leader wants to engineer a genuinely effective Scottish Labour Party there a mass of deadwood to get rid of in personnel and attitudes.

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    Here’s a wild idea.

    Embrace Independence.

    Labour would surge!

    Think long term. If I’m English Labour, how can I bring the Right Wing Brexiteers round to my way of thinking. Maybe having a successful Left leaning country on our Northern border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curried View Post
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    Will be very interesting see if/how this London lawyer can increase Labours vote share in Scotland.

    A smart Glasgow lawyer and a middle class, well heeled oil economist didn't do too badly for their party?

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    Solid start from him on Marr this morning.

    No one could accuse him of being 'out leftied' with his comments on key workers and who and what the economy has to prioritise in future.

    "They were last and now they've got to be first."

    "I think it is inevitable that we have to ask those that have more to pay more," he said.

    "When we are through there is going to have to be a reckoning, we are going to have to do things differently."

    Also clear he will be asking questions about and pushing for an exit strategy. Stated he will support the government were appropriate, won't oppose for opposings sake but will ask difficult questions to hold them to account.

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    If Labour’s vote share in Scotland is to increase then it will need the importance of Scotland to the Labour Party to be understood by the London part of the party.

    The fact that he’s a lawyer is neither here nor there and during the campaign Starmer seemed to be the most conciliatory towards Scotland and make the least daft comments.

    The mentioning of his knighthood and his occupation on this thread demonstrate exactly where the Labour Party have gone wrong. He is a working class lad who has grafted, clearly had ability, been given an opportunity, achieved great things but most importantly wants everyone to be able to do what he’s done.

    The sneering at him is disgraceful. The Labour Party have stopped being a party of opportunity and they’ve needed to rectify that situation for some time. Hopefully he’ll do just that. There are many people across the UK who possess his ability but will never get opportunities under the Tories, and Tories are all we’ll ever get whilst Momentum hold the influence they do.
    A meme came past me this morning trying to blame him for Jimmy Savile! FFS!

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    A meme came past me this morning trying to blame him for Jimmy Savile! FFS!
    Trending on Twitter. Sadly that's the sort of thing, however untrue it may be, that will stick with certain voters.

    What people should be asking themselves is; if Rees-Mogg is profiting from Brexit and also profiting from Coronavirus, why do you think he cares about the money in you and your families pockets?

    Deflection by any means necessary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by greenlex View Post
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    Sir Keir Starmer is elected leader. Everything that is wrong with the party right there. A knight of the realm as leader.
    That's enough of that "commie" talk, thank you.

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    That's enough of that "commie" talk, thank you.
    Working class people! Know your limits!! Stay in your place!!

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    Good to see some diversity will be guaranteed with at least one ginger on the front bench.

    The Tories have no gingers at all. Racist *******s!!

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