Throw Russia out Of The Euros

[Keith_M]

No, this is not an attempt at humour, I'm deadly serious.


Hundreds, if not thousands, of Russian Fans have gone to the Finals with the sole intent of causing mayhem. No doubt there are hooligans in the other supports but the behaviour of a large number of Russian Fans is way beyond acceptable.

What makes it worse is the Russian Government is currently behaving like Jim Traynor after the Cup Final and claiming their Fans are all sweet innocents and were provoked.

[High-On-Hibs]

Nonsense. Their ******** to ok ratio is about on par with Englands. Most of the Russian fans that were moving towards the English fans were doing so because of some moron in their crowd who let off a fire cracker that sounded like an explosion. The English fans fought the Russian fans were looking for trouble and it all kicked off.

[Keith_M]

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Nonsense. Their ******** to ok ratio is about on par with Englands. Most of the Russian fans that were moving towards the English fans were doing so because of some moron in their crowd who let off a fire cracker that sounded like an explosion. The English fans fought the Russian fans were looking for trouble and it all kicked off.

Try to look beyond your prejudice and see what's happening.


Yes, there are England Fans looking for trouble but the Russians have gone beyond the pale and have already almost killed two people.

[Dashing Bob S]

It won't happen. The violence will be constantly underreported for the reasons Tory Hibby expounded on another thread.

England fans will now be as good as gold till the Russians leave through tournament elimination. They will play the victims for a bit, then flex their muscles in the safety of numbers, indulging in racist bullying against civilians and attacking smaller mobs safe in the knowledge that the tougher boys have been expelled.

[SkintHibby]

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Try to look beyond your prejudice and see what's happening.


Yes, there are England Fans looking for trouble but the Russians have gone beyond the pale and have already almost killed two people.

Look beyond your predudice and the media propaganda and stop blaming it all on the Russians.

Everything bad in the world just now is those evil, nasty Russians.

[Finn2015]

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It won't happen. The violence will be constantly underreported for the reasons Tory Hibby expounded on another thread.

England fans will now be as good as gold till the Russians leave through tournament elimination. They will play the victims for a bit, then flex their muscles in the safety of numbers, indulging in racist bullying against civilians and attacking smaller mobs safe in the knowledge that the tougher boys have been expelled.

Could almost be be talking about sevco there

[High-On-Hibs]

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Try to look beyond your prejudice and see what's happening.


Yes, there are England Fans looking for trouble but the Russians have gone beyond the pale and have already almost killed two people.

You're the one being prejudice here, not me. Sadly, people's lives are almost always in danger when these kind of situations flare up. There's certainly a handful of far right and far left idiots on both sides looking to cause trouble. But the vast majority of people who get sucked into it are people who really want nothing to do with it (on both sides).

The British Media showed a very short clip of Russians fans crossing over into the English crowd, using the narrative that they were all looking to pagger. Absolutely no mention of the huge bang and the fear they must have felt at the time.

[euro Hibby]

I am pretty sure from the video's seen that they are all at it, English, French and Russians. This was going to happen even before they played so if anyone gets banned it has to be both teams and that is not fair to the 90 % of fans who don't want any bother.

As has been said on here, if you don't want any trouble it is not that difficult to avoid. You just have to be prepared to back off and avoid going to places where you know there will be problems.

Newspapers are newspapers the world over. They say what they want to say.

[Betty Boop]

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Look beyond your predudice and the media propaganda and stop blaming it all on the Russians.

Everything bad in the world just now is those evil, nasty Russians.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Russians and the English should both be thrown out.

Dreadful scenes but entirely predictable.

English were spouting their usual casual racism which is just engrained within their violent warped mentality and Russians were clearly well organised thugs.

Nothing will happen until someone dies though .

[Dashing Bob S]

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Could almost be be talking about sevco there

Yes, there are obvious parallels, but only because all bullies behave in exactly the same manner. They strut around full of themselves in their boorish arrogance, then when somebody stands up to them, or they meet a bigger bully, they quickly embrace the role of victim. Individuals in this situation often (not always) learn from this, and grow into human beings who can assert themselves in life while respecting the rights and needs of others.

Unfortunately mobs are often different, particularly ones burdened with the notion of a supremacist culture. They tend to get stuck in the bully-victim-bully-victim cycle.

Rangers fans, Some England supporters, UKIP voters, Trump supporters all tend to carry that burden and exhibit that behaviour.

[High-On-Hibs]

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Yes, there are obvious parallels, but only because all bullies behave in exactly the same manner. They strut around full of themselves in their boorish arrogance, then when somebody stands up to them, or they meet a bigger bully, they quickly embrace the role of victim. Individuals in this situation often (not always) learn from this, and grow into human beings who can assert themselves in life while respecting the rights and needs of others.

Unfortunately mobs are often different, particularly ones burdened with the notion of a supremacist culture. They tend to get stuck in the bully-victim-bully-victim cycle.

Rangers fans, Some England supporters, UKIP voters, Trump supporters all tend to carry that burden and exhibit that behaviour.

Agreed. Although it's not just people on the right to be fair. Plenty on the left as well like to play the victimization card. It's a huge political tactic these days in almost all walks of life.

[The Spaceman]

When I heard that bang my heart absolutely sunk, what a moron that supporter is for setting off a firecracker, could have easily caused mass panic.

[GreenCastle]

It's not as easy as that.

There seems to be a mix of people fighting and that includes Local French ultras - that has been reported in 2 different host cities.

No alcohol on streets / an alcohol ban or drinking out plastic cups in bars would possibly help.

The U.K. has its fair share of idiots and it's not just English fans who are causing trouble - there are pictures of Scottish people who support sevco in England also (holding sevco flag).

The situation isn't simply one set of fans causing an issue.

[Pretty Boy]

Playing England v Russia in Marseille was utter madness.

England fans have history there, both have to varying degrees a 'right wing' faction in their support and Marseilles is one of the most multicultural cities in Europe with substantial Jewish and Muslim communities, the Police are on high alert anyway and once the real troublemakers kick off everyone will be targetted including the boozed up 'lads' who seem more like idiots as opposed to 'hooligans'.

It's a shame because I'm sure the majority of England fans went over to enjoy a few beers in the sun and some football and now they are all being branded troublemakers because of the actions of a few intent on causing bother.

[hibsbollah]

I think it's safe to say that a lot of the reports we will be reading this morning will be a mixture of exaggeration, cock measuring (I was in Marseille last night, it was like being in a war zone blah blah), blaming one sides ultras or another with no evidence for political purposes, and total fantasy.

The best thing I saw on Twitter last night was a response to Piers Morgan's tweet 'what's more humiliating and disgraceful than our English hooligans'?, someone replied 'hacking dead kids phones'. Beware phoney moral outrage.

[Pretty Boy]

Also I'm wary of calling on teams to be thrown out for fans behaviour. It's not the players fault some fans can't behave themselves.

If we were thrown out the SC because a couple of idiots pushed the Rangers keeper there would be absolute outrage and rightly so.

[Betty Boop]

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[Since90+2]

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Also I'm wary of calling on teams to be thrown out for fans behaviour. It's not the players fault some fans can't behave themselves.

If we were thrown out the SC because a couple of idiots pushed the Rangers keeper there would be absolute outrage and rightly so.

What has happened in Marseille is on another planet compared to what happened at Hampden. The two are not in any way comparable.

[Pretty Boy]

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What has happened in Marseille is on another planet compared to what happened at Hampden. The two are not in any way comparable.

Of course that's correct.

I still fundementally disagree with players, managers, backroom staff and decent fans being punished for the actions of idiots.

I'm not sure what the answer is but throwing teams out the tournament isn't it imo. In fact I'd go as far as to say it would probably intensify the bother as fans on both sides would go absolutely mental.

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[calumhibee1]

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Also I'm wary of calling on teams to be thrown out for fans behaviour. It's not the players fault some fans can't behave themselves.

If we were thrown out the SC because a couple of idiots pushed the Rangers keeper there would be absolute outrage and rightly so.

I agree with this. As people have pointed out, these folk are here with the sole intent of causing mayhem at the tournament. I'd be surprised if the involvement of their country really made much odds as to whether they hung around or not.

[Ronniekirk]

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No, this is not an attempt at humour, I'm deadly serious.


Hundreds, if not thousands, of Russian Fans have gone to the Finals with the sole intent of causing mayhem. No doubt there are hooligans in the other supports but the behaviour of a large number of Russian Fans is way beyond acceptable.

What makes it worse is the Russian Government is currently behaving like Jim Traynor after the Cup Final and claiming their Fans are all sweet innocents and were provoked.

Thought that was you Putin the Boot in No easy Political solution to this but someone somewhere needs to get key people together and come up with Solutions
The situation has got progressively worse day by day so whatever Police strategy and tactics have been up to now isn't working
No way should any tournament be allowed to take place in Russia though after this Fans should make it clear they wont travel that may help exercise the minds of those who need to make these decisions





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[ben johnson]

Russians not playing the game here. Instead of congregating in a large intimidating group and singing about the 2nd WW they seem to actually want to fight. When will they learn to bounce up and down and throw chairs at rival fans. Those Russians as Boney M warned us.

[hibs#1]

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Excellent

[High-On-Hibs]

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Thought that was you Putin the Boot in No easy Political solution to this but someone somewhere needs to get key people together and come up with Solutions
The situation has got progressively worse day by day so whatever Police strategy and tactics have been up to now isn't working
No way should any tournament be allowed to take place in Russia though after this Fans should make it clear they wont travel that may help exercise the minds of those who need to make these decisions





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If you're basing your view of tournaments never being allowed to take place in Russia as a result of the violence. Then by that logic, no tournament should ever be allowed to take place in England, or France for that matter. We'd be as well just banning tournaments world wide.

[capitals_finest]

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Yes, there are obvious parallels, but only because all bullies behave in exactly the same manner. They strut around full of themselves in their boorish arrogance, then when somebody stands up to them, or they meet a bigger bully, they quickly embrace the role of victim. Individuals in this situation often (not always) learn from this, and grow into human beings who can assert themselves in life while respecting the rights and needs of others.

Unfortunately mobs are often different, particularly ones burdened with the notion of a supremacist culture. They tend to get stuck in the bully-victim-bully-victim cycle.

Rangers fans, Some England supporters, UKIP voters, Trump supporters all tend to carry that burden and exhibit that behaviour.

Bang on here again DBS. Excellent post

[Pretty Boy]

I see there's now reports on Twitter that Poland and Northern Ireland fans are involved in 'running battles' in Nice.

Another game that was always going to attract bother. There was some pretty poor scenes when they played in Belfast a while back.

[Finn2015]

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Yes, there are obvious parallels, but only because all bullies behave in exactly the same manner. They strut around full of themselves in their boorish arrogance, then when somebody stands up to them, or they meet a bigger bully, they quickly embrace the role of victim. Individuals in this situation often (not always) learn from this, and grow into human beings who can assert themselves in life while respecting the rights and needs of others.

Unfortunately mobs are often different, particularly ones burdened with the notion of a supremacist culture. They tend to get stuck in the bully-victim-bully-victim cycle.

Rangers fans, Some England supporters, UKIP voters, Trump supporters all tend to carry that burden and exhibit that behaviour.

Could not agree more Bob, bang on

[Onion]

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Playing England v Russia in Marseille was utter madness.

England fans have history there, both have to varying degrees a 'right wing' faction in their support and Marseilles is one of the most multicultural cities in Europe with substantial Jewish and Muslim communities, the Police are on high alert anyway and once the real troublemakers kick off everyone will be targetted including the boozed up 'lads' who seem more like idiots as opposed to 'hooligans'.

It's a shame because I'm sure the majority of England fans went over to enjoy a few beers in the sun and some football and now they are all being branded troublemakers because of the actions of a few intent on causing bother.

That may well be true but high time England fans started self-policing their hooligans. There is much that the vast majority can do to identify, reduce and perhaps eradicate the idiots who bring shame to their country and just cause bother for everyone else. But you sense the majority are quite happy to accommodate their nutters, hooligans and extremists in the same way Sevco revels in its colourful history and heritage.

[GreenCastle]

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I see there's now reports on Twitter that Poland and Northern Ireland fans are involved in 'running battles' in Nice.

Another game that was always going to attract bother. There was some pretty poor scenes when they played in Belfast a while back.

If you read lots of the reports - it's the Nice Ultras rather than the Irish and Polish who seemingly were getting on well.