Where did things go wrong?

[G B Young]

What would you say was the key reason for the alarming decline in our form over the last few weeks?

[Since90+2]

I dont think you can pinpoint one single issue more a collective of the following:

Stubbs being naive tactically
Injuries to key players especially Dylan
Progression in the cups has taken its toll physically and mentally
A lot of our big players are only young guys and will naturally have periods of inconsistency
Malonga leaving in January

[mentalhibee]

We don't cut teams open enough. Should have signed a couple of creative wingers rather than 6 centre midfielders! Malonga leaving hasn't helped as he brought others into play with his hold up play. Hopefully beat Falkirk and kick on for the rest of the season.

[Hibrandenburg]

It started going wrong in the eighties when our managerial revolving door was installed. A manager needs to be the foundation that a team is built around and not the decoration that gets redone for cosmetic purposes. The players need to know that it's their arse on the line come kick-off and not the managers. We need a club that backs the manager through thick and thin and send out the message that no player is bigger than the team. Since Bosnan individual players have ruled the roost, that can't work at small clubs like ours. Get the right manager in and stick with him.

[nickwhibs]

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I dont think you can pinpoint one single issue more a collective of the following:

Stubbs being naive tactically
Injuries to key players especially Dylan
Progression in the cups has taken its toll physically and mentally
A lot of our big players are only young guys and will naturally have periods of inconsistency
Malonga leaving in January

Yep, what he said. These factors have all contributed, possibly the amount of games being the biggest factor - some guys just seem burned out. Our system needs changed to freshen things up - either 3-5-2 or using wide men is vital. We need to rally round, and stick together.

[SlickShoes]

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It started going wrong in the eighties when our managerial revolving door was installed. A manager needs to be the foundation that a team is built around and not the decoration that gets redone for cosmetic purposes. The players need to know that it's their arse on the line come kick-off and not the managers. We need a club that backs the manager through thick and thin and send out the message that no player is bigger than the team. Since Bosnan individual players have ruled the roost, that can't work at small clubs like ours. Get the right manager in and stick with him.

Alex Miller: 1986-1996
Jim Duffy: 1996-1998 (rightfully sacked)
Alex McLeish: 1998-2001 (left for a bigger job)
Bobby Williamson: 2002-2004
Tony Mowbray: 2004-2006.

The "revolving door" was only installed in 2007 when John Collins left.

[MrSmith]

Think we are still all hurting from the cup result. Perspective required.

[neil7908]

A combination of all of the above unfortunately which is what is making me so pessimistic at the moment.

[Ozyhibby]

They were never right. Since Stubbs arrived we have not been able to score enough goals and that remains the problem.


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[FromTheCapital]

Losing our game in hand over Rangers against Morton at Easter Road...
We never recovered from that.


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[Hibs Class]

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We don't cut teams open enough. Should have signed a couple of creative wingers rather than 6 centre midfielders! Malonga leaving hasn't helped as he brought others into play with his hold up play. Hopefully beat Falkirk and kick on for the rest of the season.

Hopefully we will beat Falkirk, but with their current advantage they are likely to be even more defensively minded than normal and that is what we struggle to break down. We have been creating chances, but not converting anything like as many as we should have done, think confidence must be at least part of the cause of that.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I've gone for the curse option .......... after decades of watching Hibs have no luck at all that's the only conclusion I can reach. In order to achieve anything it appears to me that Hibs have to be utterly brilliant, where other clubs can get by on luck or decisions going their way we cant.

How often in cup finals have we had vital players injured ...... Sauzee and Griffiths to name but two. How many lucky goals have we scored? How often in that 21 game derby streak were we the better team and still couldn't win?

How often has it happened that Hibs have a post new year slump .... no matter the team personnel, no matter the manager it happens more often than not.

Nah ......... its not a new manager we need, its a bloody priest and to be honest if I could buy Hibs tomorrow getting the club blessed / exorcised would be one of the first things I would do, at this stage I'm willing to try anything

[paddy1875]

I bought a Irish tartan scarf, was wearing it week in week out, never seen us lose with it on. My future wife wore it one night going out for dinner to which I said 'that's my lucky scarf, take it off now or you'll ruin our season! She looked at me and said don't be silly you Wee laddie. We've been struggling ever since. TART

[Coco Bryce]

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I bought a Irish tartan scarf, was wearing it week in week out, never seen us lose with it on. My future wife wore it one night going out for dinner to which I said 'that's my lucky scarf, take it off now or you'll ruin our season! She looked at me and said don't be silly you Wee laddie. We've been struggling ever since. TART

[mim]

Our biggest problem is that we are totally predictable.
The teams that we were easily getting the better of have adjusted tactically to counter our style of play.
Credit to opposition coaches. Black mark for Stubbs.

[Forza Fred]

When we went down and the over excited ones trumpeted that we would go straight back up, the lesser naive ones suggested we would be in this division for a good while longer.

So it has came to pass, and very few can now have absolute confidence that we will go up this time.

I have a view that has not been offered on here, and that is that the psychological effect of having Sevco in the league this season also affected us mentally.

Maybe I'm clutching at straws but this is the reason that NEXT season, I can see us romp away with this backwater division

[mmmmhibby]

People who believe there is some sort of "curse" on Hibs needs there heads looked at. Thats all.

[Thecat23]

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People who believe there is some sort of "curse" on Hibs needs there heads looked at. Thats all.

People who don't believe will have a hex put on them by the people who do!!

[hibs0666]

Got to love the tactically naive-type comments especially when pretty much none have the first clue about the basics never mind tactics.

That aside, I'm sure that even all of our tactics gurus would acknowledge the importance of confidence and belief to elite performance. Wins on Tuesday and Saturday be a huge confidence boost and I have no doubt that the tactically-naive Stubbs will be putting a lot of emphasis on confidence and morale-building in the coming days and weeks.

[hibs0666]

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When we went down and the over excited ones trumpeted that we would go straight back up, the lesser naive ones suggested we would be in this division for a good while longer.

So it has came to pass, and very few can now have absolute confidence that we will go up this time.

I have a view that has not been offered on here, and that is that the psychological effect of having Sevco in the league this season also affected us mentally.

Maybe I'm clutching at straws but this is the reason that NEXT season, I can see us romp away with this backwater division

And very few can have confidence that we will stay down, unless they are losers of course.

[Wilson]

The transfer moves in January haven't worked. Injuries haven't helped. Stubbs inability to make changes to positively affect a game has been a problem long term. The players seem to have lost a bit of swagger.

Cumulative.

[steviehibsleith]

A team that doesnt concede goals doesn't lose
We have conceded 30 goals in 31 league games (basically a goal a game) playing in Scotlands second tier and have lost 8 out of 31 games a quarter of them.
The common denominators in our appalling defense for years has been Lewis Stevenson and Paul Hanlon
Blame midfielders, forwards, Goalie, manager they have all been changed but 50 percent of our defence hasnt and any team playing against us is confident they can get a goal.

[hibs0666]

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A team that doesnt concede goals doesn't lose
We have conceded 30 goals in 31 league games (basically a goal a game) playing in Scotlands second tier and have lost 8 out of 31 games a quarter of them.
The common denominators in our appalling defense for years has been Lewis Stevenson and Paul Hanlon
Blame midfielders, forwards, Goalie, manager they have all been changed but 50 percent of our defence hasnt and any team playing against us is confident they can get a goal.

I'm glad that the blame culture doesn't extend to the club.

[SJM]

Fraser Fyvie getting injured.

[Forza Fred]

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And very few can have confidence that we will stay down, unless they are losers of course.

They hardly have any control over the outcome though, do they.

[Ozyhibby]

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A team that doesnt concede goals doesn't lose
We have conceded 30 goals in 31 league games (basically a goal a game) playing in Scotlands second tier and have lost 8 out of 31 games a quarter of them.
The common denominators in our appalling defense for years has been Lewis Stevenson and Paul Hanlon
Blame midfielders, forwards, Goalie, manager they have all been changed but 50 percent of our defence hasnt and any team playing against us is confident they can get a goal.

Sevco have conceded 27 goals to our 30.
They have scored 83 to our 48.
You really think our problem lies in defence?

[CorrieHibs]

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A team that doesnt concede goals doesn't lose
We have conceded 30 goals in 31 league games (basically a goal a game) playing in Scotlands second tier and have lost 8 out of 31 games a quarter of them.
The common denominators in our appalling defense for years has been Lewis Stevenson and Paul Hanlon
Blame midfielders, forwards, Goalie, manager they have all been changed but 50 percent of our defence hasnt and any team playing against us is confident they can get a goal.

We had the best defence in Britain at one point. Our problems isn't our defence.

It's clearly not being able to break teams down. Same as last season. We simply don't score enough.

[neil7908]

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When we went down and the over excited ones trumpeted that we would go straight back up, the lesser naive ones suggested we would be in this division for a good while longer.

So it has came to pass, and very few can now have absolute confidence that we will go up this time.

I have a view that has not been offered on here, and that is that the psychological effect of having Sevco in the league this season also affected us mentally.

Maybe I'm clutching at straws but this is the reason that NEXT season, I can see us romp away with this backwater division

I agree having The Rangers around has had a big impact on us this season (in terms of competition but also mentally as well). However, I just feel the longer we are down here the more likely we are to get stuck in the longer term.

Failure this season and we will have Dundee Utd as competition (almost certainly) and then a number of options involving of Falkirk/Raith/Kilmarnock/Hamilton.

Yes we should have nothing to fear from those teams but we will undoubtedly lose players this summer if we dont go up and will we have the same size of budget next year? I wouldn't be so sure of that.

We would be heavy favourites in this division next year but if you look at our form, its against the likes of Alloa, Dumbarton, Morton etc we are struggling. Our record against the better teams in this league (including Hearts least year and Sevco this year) is ok, if not great.

We would find the same tactics used against us next season. I partially subscribe to the idea that we have a team set up play in the SPL rather than the Championship. That doesn't mean we need to sign a bunch of 6"4 cloggers but we need to understand the tactics we will face and set ourselves up accordingly.

Seems simple but we haven't managed it so far!

[coldingham hibs]

Our failure to sign a big target man after Farid got injured and not signing a proper winger.

[ShinyFantastic]

It started going wrong results wise when we let Malonga go. However the performances were starting to fade and let's be honest if we hadn't let Malonga go, we probably would have found another way to throw everything away.