For those not familiar with him, at the start of the season he said the following:
"The Hibernian coach Alan Stubbs is a typical example of an uneducated coach overtraining & injuring his players"
At the time, the vast majority on here, including me, we're happy to ignore him in favour of backing Stubbs however as the season has progressed and the injuries have piled up, I can't help but think he may have had a point after all.
We've had more than our fair share of players with medium to to long term injuries since Stubbs came in, including the likes of Forster, Malonga, Fyvie, McGeouch, Charmichael, Handling, Keatings, Farid, Hanlon, Gray, Anier, Feruz, Boyle, Robertson, Watson.
I'm sure there will be some on here who can explain each injury individually and tell us how it's just bad luck but to have had around 15 players suffering so many quite serious injuries in such a short space of time is quite concerning.
Did the guy have a point? Or is it all just bad luck?
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19-03-2016 11:04 AM #1
The Dutch Fitness Coach
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19-03-2016 11:19 AM #2
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I don't know anything about the merits of his argument, but is that injury list any different to what we normally have at this stage? It would be interesting to know how other clubs compare, over time.
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19-03-2016 11:19 AM #3
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I think to a certain extent footballers are a bit pampered and not fit enough. Whilst this might not be the case with us, I don't think it was any coincidence that when continental klopp went to Liverpool there was a rather large training injury list. For example Carmichael coming from queen of the south could be in part to da difference in training levels and intensity.
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19-03-2016 11:21 AM #4
Not sure but I will say that Sevco have been incredibly fortunate this season with injuries and Warburton has mentioned following the Dutch guys methods.
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19-03-2016 11:25 AM #5
Nothing he can do about some of them. Fyvie, for example was on the end of a really poor challenge by a Morton player. However, I do feel players like McGeouch are rushed back into the team. I think we're a different animal when he plays but we need him for the run in and maybe a lay-off would do the trick.
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19-03-2016 11:30 AM #6
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Are we talking about raymond verheijen here?
Was Speeds assistant for some time with Wales. Genuinely does have knowledge of sports fitness Tec but just can't seem to keep his mouth shut!
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For me I'd have put him in for the op on his groin now and have him fully fit for next season.
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19-03-2016 11:37 AM #9
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Hopefully Dylan's injury is sorted out and pronto. Getting pretty poor that he's in for 2 games, out for 6.
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19-03-2016 11:40 AM #10
This guys seems to run his mouth about everyone. Last week he was saying that Gareth Bale was ruining his career by staying at Real Madrid.
Whilst some of the guys points are valid, why has no top team offered him a coaching role since he left his Wales job 3 years ago?
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19-03-2016 11:53 AM #13
One of the highest rated fitness coaches on the planet but a mouthpiece and an arsepiece.
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19-03-2016 12:31 PM #16
I guess the Dutch bloke would have to have seen our methods over a period of time - im not sure that's the case so it brings into question the validity of his opinion.
Some of those players on that list had niggling injuries when they signed and some have just been very unlucky with bad tackles.
There's so much information widely available on Sports Science these days that I find it hard to believe that our regime would ignore it. Its not like their relics like Butcher/Malpas.
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19-03-2016 12:34 PM #17
He complained about us doing 3 sessions in the sun but had no idea what those 3 sessions involved, for that reason his claims have very little merit IMO. A lot of the injuries have been as a result of challenges/bad falls/bad luck as well. Forster had a bad fall, Fyvie took a bad challenge, Carmichael needed a major op, Farid kicked the shambles of a park at Alloa etc.
Also, there are plenty of players who have played every game and are not/haven't been injured. McGinn, Stevenson, Cummings, McGregor, Gray, Henderson, Fonts have all played this season basically injury free.
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19-03-2016 02:12 PM #20
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19-03-2016 03:21 PM #22
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I said at the time of this guys comments that I agreed with him and got absolutely slaughtered on here. We have far, far too many injuries.
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''We have far, far too many injuries''? Do we? No more than the likes of Bayern, Arsenal or Juventus and I'd wager those clubs have the best fitness coaches money can buy. Injuries happen, some of the ones we have had have involved awful luck, ****ty parks and horrible challenges. Without those we have no more than any other team in the world.
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19-03-2016 07:05 PM #25
I don't think it is true to say you can't do anything about non-contact injuries. Players can be conditioned to be more robust and better able to recover from contact injuries. Their diet can be improved to help reduce inflammation that may occur.
I'd imagine that out of two players, the one with better flexibility would get injured less due to incidents of contact/avoiding contact.
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19-03-2016 08:59 PM #26
I went on one of the East Mains visits in November last season and we were told that Hibs would be the fittest team in the league and come the end of the season we would be bombing.
We all know his that turned out.
This season we look so pedestrian it's not true. Morton for example ran us off the park.
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19-03-2016 09:26 PM #28This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This season I have to agree with you, we never run over the top of teams or fly out the traps. Is that more the philosophy than the fitness? I don't know but surely Stubbs has to recognise something needs to change or he'll be out the door
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