Interesting points raised by a few pundits over the past few days - I.e. that messi/ ronaldo/Suarez etc never get "rested" or ask for games off and that it seems to be unique to British football (this was all in relation to Man City's 2nd XI getting pumped by Chelsea in the FA Cup.)
Given that this is almost certainly our worst result of the season, it is a bit funny that it follows the reinstatement of some key players following a short break. Wonder if it is a better idea to keep momentum and play your strongest 11 until you're forced to change things. Maybe a rest doesn't actually help matters and players come back in a bit 'cold'
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Thread: Was tinkering to blame?
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24-02-2016 09:23 PM #1
Was tinkering to blame?
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24-02-2016 09:31 PM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Yes it was to blame. Play your strongest team every week. Bartley should never have been dropped, nor should hanlon. MB and DC can count themselves unlucky not to be in the team tonight.
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24-02-2016 09:35 PM #3
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No, just beaten by a better team on the day, tactically they done us and their wide men were really good
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24-02-2016 09:44 PM #4
Pretty much any combination of our first team squad should be putting in a decent performance against anyone and everyone in this league.
Tinkering had got **** all to do with it.
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24-02-2016 09:47 PM #5
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We've got too many games in close succession to not try some squad rotation. That team tonight should have had more than enough to win, too many of our players simply didn't turn up.
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24-02-2016 11:19 PM #6
I recall sides of old playing, seemingly, the same line up week-in, week-out. Think of Turnbull's Tornadoes, or that great Leed United side of the 1970's (yes, showing my age). Other players did come off the bench but manager's relied on the old guard to do the business right through the season. Squad rotation is now a given and I do believe that it can impact on momentum. We sent out a quality side against Morton, but it was ring rusty and carrying no momentum from the previous game. It's a risky business chopping and changing and sometimes, just sometimes, it can back-fire.
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24-02-2016 11:26 PM #9
We should always play our best team, the squad can be used when players get injured. Professional footballers should be able to manage 2 games a week, they won't be doing much in training in between.
United we stand here....
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24-02-2016 11:30 PM #10
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The issue tonight was certain players not putting in the effort required. We were 2nd to every ball. That's not a tinkering issue, its a players attitude issue.
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24-02-2016 11:36 PM #12
Not really anything to do with best players as AS has said that any player not picked is good enough to play when asked, he wanted competition for places and he's got that.
Stubbs main fault is he continues with the diamond which he's played 99% of the time with 3-5-2 his other choice. For me the diamond struggles against teams who sit in with 2 banks of 4 and hit on the break, we saw on sunday how effective 3-5-2 works, giving us width and pace as it stretches the teams who sit in. All you have to do with the diamond is to play narrow and clog up the middle of the park allowing zero space for midfield and strikers.
This is why we've only averaged just over 1.5 goals per game this season, we don't stretch teams and we struggle to break them down.
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24-02-2016 11:37 PM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Pick it up again in training tomorrow and we go again, bad day at the office acknowldged and we move on as we have with other setbacks this season. The team is more resilient than many of recent years but like all teams is not beyond a flat, missfiring performance.
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24-02-2016 11:44 PM #14
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One thing is Thomson can't play as a holding player when he can't match the runs. Bartley is a player just now that shouldn't have been dropped.
We aren't good enough yet to win a league by rotating people too much.
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24-02-2016 11:48 PM #15
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25-02-2016 06:03 AM #17
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Too much tinkering
And we do have weaknesses which were cruelly exposed tonight by Morton and their manager
Bartley and Hanlon should have started
Our two top performers that give the team drive.
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25-02-2016 06:09 AM #18
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No, just bad defending at the corner and our best attackers couldn't put the ball in the net.
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25-02-2016 06:16 AM #19
Stubbs got it wrong simple as.
I get the need for rotating players however 7 changes game on game is too much. We got away with it against Alloa as they are pish however for me he should have played Hanlon and Bartley last night. 2 form players and basically the spine of the team. If there was a game to rest them it was against Alloa, not Morton.
Play offs it is.
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25-02-2016 08:05 AM #20
Was Stubbs to blame? Not for me.
He picked a strong 11 that should have been more than good enough to win the game. The team was poor on the night and Morton deservedly won. Not sure how that is the managers fault that quite a few had an off night.
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25-02-2016 08:22 AM #21
I wasn't at the game last night so can't really comment on either the tactics or individual performances. However did I not read that Bartley is a player who has fitness issues and can't play too many games in a short period of time? If so, that might explain why he didn't play last night.
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25-02-2016 08:35 AM #22
We should have been 3 up in the first 15 minutes. Not sure about the disallowed goal offisde before or after the cut back? Or the missed header by Cummings. From the other side of the ground looked like it could have been a penalty for a clear push. Couple of great saves from their keeper. So a different game when we take our chances and no-one would be saying weaker/stronger/tinker etc.
Poor defending and keeping goal 1. Poor refereeing before they got up the park then helped by poor keeping. Poor decision making by as good as last man for goal no 3. One of those nights. so long as we don't repeat Saturday a disappointing game, poor result. We've had these before.
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25-02-2016 09:34 AM #23
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25-02-2016 09:38 AM #24
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I think some players are just lazy and think they have it hard,don't think they really need much rest unless they get knocks and bruises, they will be in top fitness condition too mind
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25-02-2016 09:45 AM #25
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My thoughts on what's wrong with the team.
Lack of width and pace we can't stretch a team when they park the bus against us, in the cup games it's perfect for us everyone has came to have go.
The midfield apart from Bartley are all the same some times mcginn it's nice and tidy passing but there is nobody that will drive at defence find that killer pass, we need a goals from midfield.
Stokes and Cummings are too similar it doesn't work. Thought in the semi final it's the most dangerous we are been for a while.
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25-02-2016 09:50 AM #26
We missed several chances and the game would have been over had we taken them.
That said, I'd question Stubbs' squad rotation policy. Okay if you're Chelsea or whatever but we cannot afford to be so flexible.
You really shouldn't change a winning team.
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25-02-2016 09:55 AM #27This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We changed a winning team on sunday and also won.
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