I know things haven’t been great lately, and I know people are still peed off about lots of things – losing big games, relegation, the person largely responsible for that relegation hanging around like an unwanted guest.
But there has to come a time when we – the collective Hibs support – move on and start righting some of those wrongs.
On the pitch, I would argue we are largely doing what we can, short of a major external injection of cash that is unlikely. Our chief exec and Board are doing their bit.
Off the field, we the fans need to shake ourselves out of the collective apathy into which we have descended.
HSL http://hiberniansupporters.co.uk/donate.html is the best way to do that. You can now sign-up for just £5 a month –that’s not even two pints of beer. If you are not prepared to pay that to ensure the supporter ownership of our club for ever more, then I really think you have to have long hard look at what you want from your club, and how you expect the club to deliver it without putting your shoulder to the wheel and helping to make it happen.
Sick of Petrie? Well Petrie is a symptom of the way we are owned at the moment. He is a trusted lackey installed and maintained at the whim of our single rich owner, but if we don’t have or need a single rich owner, we would not have to put up with that again.
We need all Hibs fans to rediscover our collective backbone. Times have been hard lately? Well you know what, it’s not for the first time and it won’t be for the last time. But Hibs have always been a club that has fought hard, to survive against the hostile establishment, to recover from closure in the early years, pretty much the entire 1980s, and of course Mercer.
We, collectively, have maintained the club, and all it stands for, throughout all of that and more. Yes, we would like the pay-offs (cup wins etc) to come around more often, but having our club is more important.
The same club that our great grandfathers, grandfathers, fathers all managed to stick with throughout adversity. If we want to have a strong club for our sons, grandsons etc to support, then we have to make the best of the situation that we find ourselves in.
What better legacy to come out of these difficult years than for the club to be largely, even majority owned by us fans?
The reality is, if you are staying away, for whatever reason (no matter how understandable, justifiable etc) then you are part of the problem. The loss of support means we are a club in decline, and we are the only ones who can reverse that decline.
But at least the HSL scheme allows all fans to collectively own, and financially contribute, regardless of the on-field situation, boycotts, owners etc. It’s the responsibility that we all must share to ensure we halt the decline, and reverse the decline.
If Hibs aren’t worth £5 a month to our own fans, then we deserve to disappear.
I know their circumstances are different, but Hearts fans have put their money where their mouths are. We can belittle it, try and explain it away, but the basics are they are doing their bit for their club.
Ask yourself, truthfully, whether you can honestly say the same?
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22-09-2015 11:04 AM #1
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How much do you really care about Hibs?
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22-09-2015 11:08 AM #2
Ohhh maan. And it's only Tuesday lunchtime.
In your best Carlito Brigante voice, just before he banjos the pricks who shot his nephew at the start....Here come da pain
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22-09-2015 11:14 AM #3
I pay into HSL, however, i can't remember once walking into the stadium when HSL have been there handing out flyers etc. not everyone reads hibs.net or emails.
A simple handout going into the ground telling fans they can donate as little as £5 would generate income. I know HSL work tirelessly but it's just an observation. been handed more by the holyrood boxing guy!
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22-09-2015 11:21 AM #4This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
How long do you pay that until you are officially a member?
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On reflection they've had confirmation from a lot of members that they'd like to continue to pay more than the limit and not to stop the direct debit mandate. So they're writing out to each HSL member that joined before yesterday to check what option they'd like.
But from today, anyone joining will join indefinitely and of course can stop once the £225 is met or continue to donate.
they'd obviously like fans to donate as much as they can and I’ll decide closer to the time if I’ll continue. likelihood is i will.
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22-09-2015 12:56 PM #6
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Have never stopped going since the mid 60's. Bought my usual season ticket this year without even thinking and will always get one. Support every home game and never boo the players, even though i've groaned a lot and in recent years and felt like I could throttle some of them.! Like what I'm seeing now though and I see brighter times ahead for the first time in years...
Got my HSL £225 share and paid a small monthly payment into Erin for the past 15 years, which will now divert to HSL.
Paid £400+ for one if the big commemorative plaques to bring money into the club a couple of years back and always do at least one corporate day per season. Rip off, but I enjoy it and enjoy knowing it's going to Hibernian.
Wish my fellow Hibs fans would show a lot more support (because we have a huge dormant amount if stay-aways) but they have suffered for a long time now and be in no doubt, this is Hibs' worst ever period in their history...
The Hertz situation was and remains for now, completely different to ours. They were in serious danger of going completely under and I know where their support is coming from at the moment. And they get to keep their 3 cheated cups and derby results record.. A complete injustice, but there you go. We have very little in the memory bank to keep us happy that way.
I have an active social life with loads of different hobbies, pals, etc but nothing would stop me getting ready to go to Easter Road to cheer the Hibees on, no matter how bad we play. So tomorrow night, I'll get the scarf on, get excited about travelling down to the hallowed ground and I'll still get that rush when those white sleeves run out the tunnel- and I'll think we beat the sheep in the cup.
And, I think we can...
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22-09-2015 01:23 PM #8
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That's the only bit i disagree with you on. Yeah, we don't face any immediate 'doomsday' scenario like that lot, but what we are facing (and living through) is just a different, route to the same end result in my opinion.
Longer, slower, but i fear more permanent that the situation they were facing. Their support has been galvanised, and our support is being filleted. Its like the old boiling the frog maxim.
We all praise those clubs that come upon hard times, and their fans are loyal as. Man City are a good example, Newcastle, Sunderland. I'm sure there are many other examples.
We as a support are NOT doing that. Too many of us have run up the white flag.
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22-09-2015 01:39 PM #9
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Yes, I do agree with what you're saying. All good points.
We need to stop our fans hiding and get their green scarves on again..
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You keep comparing us to Hearts , geniune question if the results on the pitch from last season were swapped how do you think both clubs would be sitting attendance wise? IMO we would be getting approx 12,000 home fans (similar to what Hearts are getting) and they would be getting similar figures to us in the Championship.
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22-09-2015 01:57 PM #11
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You could conceivably say that we are in a title race, and we are definitely in a promotion race. Plus, despite popular myth, i doubt our attendances the seasons we won the first div were as good as Hearts' were last season.
But your kinda making my point... the fact is our results are what they are, and we are almost 50% lower in home crowds than you think we would be if we were doing well. That shows how many fans are NOT supporting the club in this low ebb.
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22-09-2015 02:08 PM #12
It's not the fans fault that the club have under performed so spectacularly.
I think the fans that are left are amazingly patient with the club. The fans that have stopped going feel let down by the club.
The only way to get them back is improve the product on the pitch. We are still not exciting to watch and 9 points off the pace in the championship.
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Similarly if Hearts finished 2nd , got knocked out in the play off semi , and then faced a second season in the Championship their crowds would be massively down.
My point being you seem to be giving the Hibs support a kicking and bigging up Hearts when in reality if results on the pitch were vice versa it would be much a muchness.
Your last point is not unique to Hibs. Every single club in the world will have more people wanting to watch them when they are playing well and winning.Last edited by Since90+2; 22-09-2015 at 02:11 PM.
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22-09-2015 02:11 PM #14
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22-09-2015 02:24 PM #16
Personally, I don't think you can measure how much you care about Hibs. Although I believe in what HSL are doing and will support this in the near future in relation to my three boys, I do not believe for one minute you care more for Hibs by measuring the amount money put in.
Right now there is an obvious malaise/apathy setting in with fans but the fans are most definitely not to blame! Do I blame RP? No I don't! I believe there is a complex set of circumstances which are unique to each stay away fan: Children, Recession, finances, employment to name some ...
You can focus the blame on Petrie of you will but again there is more to it. Previously for me, it felt like the white flag is up in every part of the, lets say for arguments sake 'the company'. Whether this is down to RP's influence or not? I couldn't tell. I appreciate the work that is being done by both Allan and Leanne however, time will tell if its enough for those who have become disinterested and disheartened by our spectacular demise!
Do I and those non attenders care about the club? How much? Absolutely!Last edited by MrSmith; 22-09-2015 at 02:39 PM.
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22-09-2015 02:36 PM #18
I have supported the hibs for many years.through the good days and bad days and will continue to do so.
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How the hell can you compare Hearts situation to ours?! They had NO OPTION but to do this or they would have went to the wall! And saying if Hibs aren't worth £5 a month we deserve to disappear.... We didn't **** over creditors to the tune of £28 odd million! Do they deserve to disappear?! Whatever money I have left over from my wage I use to pay at the gate to watch Hibs. Please don't try to guilt trip me into thinking I'm gonna let my club disappear.
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22-09-2015 03:29 PM #20
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Youre right, and nowhere did i say it was. But there has to come a point when we, the fans, who claim to be the moral owners of the club, have to start being part of the solution.
I agree that the fans that are left have been very patient. But given that we have lost nigh on 50% of our fans, i think its fair to say that a huge chunk of our fans are evidently not loyal or patient in the slightest.
Im sure the Dundee fans who still go are very loyal. But its the ones that stopped going that have condemned them to be forever diminished as a club.
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22-09-2015 03:32 PM #21
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i agree their need was more urgent at the time. But its a lot less urgent now, would you not agree? Because we are the club with the problems and question marks at the moment, and yet so many of our fans are demonstrably not helping to dig us out of the mess.
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I'll ask again as I am geniunely interested to see what you think.
If we had just romped the league with Hearts and Rangers in it how many season tickets do you think we would have sold this year?
Likewise if Hearts were facing another year in the Championship how many do you think they would be getting through the door?
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22-09-2015 04:03 PM #23
I only goto a handful of matches now. Used to goto alot more but i still love Hibs.Hibs have given me some great memories (although my best ones are from the eighties standing under the east).Im happy to pay into HSL. It's a great way for me to give something to the club i otherwise wouldnt be able to.
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22-09-2015 04:25 PM #24
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I reckon we would have shifted about 8-9,000 - i don't think we've ever been more than 10,000, although i stand to be corrected on that. How many did we sell on the back of romping the first division previously?
I dont know, but given their fans stuck with them in such big numbers the season they were getting relegated, probably a fair few, and almost certainly a good bit more than we have managed.
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22-09-2015 07:02 PM #26
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http://us10.campaign-archive1.com/?u...1&e=c4793dc794
Got in this today interesting HSL are looking for double the number they currently have, surely thats not beyond us.
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That however doesn't invalidate the purpose of the OP which I assume is to highlight the new £5 per month option for HSL. It'll take a bit longer to become a full member, but it will happen for those who are able and willing.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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I have all the same reasons, distance aside, as everyone else about not attending and have posted on this forum over our two 'still in the memory' worst results which are not yet forgotten.
Nevertheless, will be doing the 480 mile round trip tomorrow for the third time this season to support the Hibs. Scarf on and no matter the score, I'll be a Hibby at the end. HSL membership will follow I have no doubt.
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22-09-2015 09:56 PM #30
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Well done mate
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