McGINN v S ALLAN

**Green Diet** · 12-09-2015 11:24 PM

How does McGINN and ALLAN compare as football players for Hibs in the following areas:

Tackling -
Marking -
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Shooting -
Reading the game -
Attitude/Effort -
Team player/Leadership -

It might be a bit too early to say but your initial thoughts please.

***lord bunberry*** · 12-09-2015 11:27 PM

He isn't as good as Allan. He's a young guy with potential, but Allan was and is a very special football player.

**stevie-bee** · 12-09-2015 11:32 PM

Different type of players .
McGinn is more a box to box ,
Allan no 10

***wookie70*** · 12-09-2015 11:42 PM

I was never that great an Allan fan but really like McGinn. Allan would be a better player than McGinn in a team full of movement but he never had that at Hibs. Playing a great ball without a team mate reading it has the same result as a poor pass so he was guilty of losing too much possession for my liking. McGinn is a different player and I would say most of the list above he is ahead of Allan bar the passing and reading the game. He is way ahead physically with tracking and tackling etc and hits a much better corner which wouldn't be hard.

In the long run I think McGinn will be a more important player both on the pitch and possibly in the bank account. I also think Allan may do well at Celtic but he will have to improve his out of possession attitude if he wants to play regularly.

**DTS** · 12-09-2015 11:46 PM

I don't know how they compare head to head only way to judge would be them in the same team at the same time, what I do know is that our midfield is a lot stronger this season than it was last season and that's what matters

**stoneyburn hibs** · 12-09-2015 11:48 PM

McGinn is a demon, 20 y/o and showing to be a very decent player.SA is a player but not a team player. Really happy to have DM and JM instead of AS.

**MWHIBBIES** · 13-09-2015 04:40 AM

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He isn't as good as Allan. He's a young guy with potential, but Allan was and is a very special football player.

Very special football players don't fail in England and end up in the Scottish championship. He is good but come on, there are about 20 guys in the world who are worthy of being called very special football players.

***Libby Hibby*** · 13-09-2015 06:02 AM

I don't think we should be comparing Scott Allan to any one player but be asking ourselves, does our team really miss SA? Has our team benefitted from the sale of SA? Do we look more of a cohesive unit without SA? To me (and my old man) the answers are no, yes, yes.

Scott was a great player for us but there has been so many positives to come out of his sale, don't get me wrong, I didn't at the time want it to happen but now having time to look back at our squad then a now then I can help but think he are in a much stronger position.

Scott Allan who?

**Thecat23** · 13-09-2015 06:36 AM

McGinn can run up and down the pitch working hard. Allan though can glide past players with ease. For me two different types of players, but Allan is for me the better of the two hense why he's now with Celtic.

McGinn though could go on to because a fans fav with performances like the past few games.

**Stoney Hibee** · 13-09-2015 07:37 AM

I really think we need to give McGinn more than 3 or 4 games to show us what he can do, how many of us were raving about Allan after a handful of games last season? Is McGinn even fully fit yet, he never had a full preseason behind him a and its not that long since he had a corner flag through his leg. Let's see how he is performing at the turn of the year before making comparisons.

***lucky*** · 13-09-2015 07:49 AM

SA can win games with his skill but JM contributes to the team winning. I think JM will develope more and is likely to end up playing at a higher lever than SA due to his work rate and application.

***NorthNorfolkHFC*** · 13-09-2015 08:21 AM

For us right now I think John is more valuable.

Scott Allan was luxury John will consistently churn out good performances.
I think suggesting he's just a box to box hard worker is unfair, he showed some class bits of skill yesterday and a great range of passing.

Great stuff.

"And on the day that 67-year-old Norwich resident Mary Leese has woken from a three-year coma, we’ll be asking – what’s the best night’s sleep you’ve ever had?"

***Scouse Hibee*** · 13-09-2015 08:22 AM

McGinn's game will develop in the Hibs team while Allan's will stagnate on the bench or in the stands. Allan is a decent player but nowhere near the player some are describing him as yet.

**Smartie** · 13-09-2015 08:23 AM

TBH I could see Scott Allan coming back to us on loan before too long.

***Scouse Hibee*** · 13-09-2015 08:27 AM

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TBH I could see Scott Allan coming back to us on loan before too long.

He wouldn't get a game in our midfield either!

**rosco-hibee** · 13-09-2015 09:02 AM

Without sounding bitter, I don't know if I'd want Allan back. The transfer request etc just caused unrest in the squad.

LD and AS did great business moving him on and strengthening the squad. Let's keep it that way.

On a side note, SA didn't even make the Celtic bench yesterday...

**Dashing Bob S** · 13-09-2015 10:04 AM

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For us right now I think John is more valuable.

Scott Allan was luxury John will consistently churn out good performances.
I think suggesting he's just a box to box hard worker is unfair, he showed some class bits of skill yesterday and a great range of passing.

Great stuff.

"And on the day that 67-year-old Norwich resident Mary Leese has woken from a three-year coma, we’ll be asking – what’s the best night’s sleep you’ve ever had?"

This is probably the case. I think McGinn is more suited to our immediate needs -getting us out of this league- than Allan, although Allan is the more talented footballer. Ironically, (because this is Scotland) McGinn will quite probably go on to have a career just as good, or better than Allan. I know it didn't work out for him first time in England, but a player of his abilities is pretty much wasted in Scottish football and I think it was a mistake for him to stay here.

**Dashing Bob S** · 13-09-2015 10:06 AM

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TBH I could see Scott Allan coming back to us on loan before too long.

Not an impossible scenario. Allan won't get many starts at Celtic and they might loan him back to us after Jan to spite Der Hun, and to keep him playing in order to sell him on to an English club.

**~~My_Wife_Camille~~** · 13-09-2015 10:09 AM

Scott Allan would still walk straight into our starting 11

**~~The_Horde~~** · 13-09-2015 10:12 AM

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Scott Allan would still walk straight into our starting 11

This.

I'd bite your hand off for the opportunity again.

***bigwheel*** · 13-09-2015 10:13 AM

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Scott Allan would still walk straight into our starting 11

100% this...let's not re-write truth because Allan has moved on. He is a quality player. One that still has to work hard to achieve something in the game, but boy on his day - what a player!!

**Pretty Boy** · 13-09-2015 10:18 AM

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TBH I could see Scott Allan coming back to us on loan before too long.

He can GTF as far as I'm concerned. Good player or otherwise.

***Scouse Hibee*** · 13-09-2015 10:18 AM

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Scott Allan would still walk straight into our starting 11

Nope.

**~~My_Wife_Camille~~** · 13-09-2015 10:19 AM

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Nope.

***** argument

***Scouse Hibee*** · 13-09-2015 10:21 AM

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***** argument

Now now dear chap it's an opinion, who said I wanted an argument about it.

**edwards** · 13-09-2015 10:27 AM

Thought Mcginn didn't have a great first half yesterday but more than made up for it in the second half, Allan was a good with his close control but McGinns determination yesterday is precisely what we need at this present moment in time and not a player who isn't going to give 100% and that is what we would have faced with Allan in the team.
Mcginn is a strong player and he will grow in confidence, who also impressed me yesterday was Bartley his determination to go and win the ball back there wasn't a single Alloa player who could challenge him. Megeough and Henderson looked good in midfield and that was Fyvie missing and Carmichael on the bench.

**Smartie** · 13-09-2015 10:32 AM

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He can GTF as far as I'm concerned. Good player or otherwise.

I think we'd have said the same about Riordan, Thomson or Murray within a month of them leaving us under a cloud.

It's just a feeling I've got. He pushed for a bad move at a bad time and we're the only club that he has played consistently well for over a season.

I could see him joining us (maybe next summer after Henderson goes back) for the reasons stated above - Celtic will want him to get game time so they can flog him down to England and maybe get some money for him.

If we still have Stubbs, Allan will probably acknowledge the fact that he's the manager who has handled him the best in his whole career and may be the man to get him back on track again?

(It's a bit silly to speculate like this so soon after his departure).

**Vini1875** · 13-09-2015 10:32 AM

For us it is better to have a good unit, a solid team than to have a star man. John McGinn is a good player in a good unit and as such is much better suited for us and will prove to be a bigger asset long term than SA. As for having SA back, no thanks.

**ancient hibee** · 13-09-2015 10:38 AM

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McGinn is a demon, 20 y/o and showing to be a very decent player.SA is a player but not a team player. Really happy to have DM and JM instead of AS.

This rewriting of history is astonishing.Allan not a team player?How many of our goals do you think he was heavily involved in-if not the final pass certainly the one that mattered.McGinn will do fine but is a different type of player.