kleton Perntreau

**Big L** · 02-07-2015 11:49 PM

A bit concerned about the amount of youngsters who have had the boot in the last year or so, Perntreau I believe has just signed for Crystal Palace, , good enough for an EPL club but not for us. What did they see that we didn't ? Think it would be a big mistake to punt Stanton and maybe Handling and Harris. Thoughts please.

**Unseen work** · 03-07-2015 12:12 AM

Think it's different scenarios. Kleton is younger and only played a couple of times. Goalies more than any position need confidence and grow leaps and bounds with experience. You see very few goalkeepers under 22 being first choice.

If any to lose he is the one that makes me concerned if we miss out as we dumped him early.

Danny Sam and Alex have all had there chance. Some rate them some don't, some think they could become good, some don't. But at the end of the day they have all played enough games to prove themselves and the fact they haven't nailed down a position says if they were to leave it wouldn't be a major loss.

***lucky*** · 03-07-2015 05:20 AM

If they are good enough Stubbs would play them. Sadly 4 you've mentioned are good enough and the 3 outfield players have had enough chances to prove themselves

**Ronniekirk** · 03-07-2015 06:22 AM

Time will tell if it was a mistake but out track record on brining through goalkeepers through our system is poor and something that needs addressed .

Think lots of us had high hopes that at least one of Stanton handling or Harris might be capable of breaking through and establishing themselves and stubbs and his team have been chosen by Leeann to bridge that disconnect between youth development and first team .That was one of the key priorities identified when she came in and she quickly decidedButcher wasn't up to that task .

It's still early days for Stubbs as these players were already at the club when he arrived but our need at present is to build a squad to get us promoted as third season in championship isn't palatable for anyone to consider so Danny Sam and Alex are under more pressure to deliver if they get first team oppertunity and Stubbs has to factor that Ito his thinking versus letting them go to bring in another squad player that can do a job right now .

Can any of the regulars that watch the development team like Billy Whizz or O Conners Strip name a young player we have released in last three or four years that has gone on to establish themselves in the first team of another club at a decent level as that is one way of looking at whether we are letting good young talent go to early

**Big L** · 03-07-2015 06:35 AM

OP. I would have kept Perntreau because keepers get better with age, and anyone Stubbs brings in now will only be a cheap backup to Oxley
As for Stanton I can't get my head round this, everyone who knows anything about football says he is an exceptional talent,. What makes matters worses is Cummings is the only development player who regularly gets a game in the first team, totally disappointed with that stat when you consider the amount of young players who break thru at other clubs!

***Scouse Hibee*** · 03-07-2015 07:08 AM

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A bit concerned about the amount of youngsters who have had the boot in the last year or so, Perntreau I believe has just signed for Crystal Palace, , good enough for an EPL club but not for us. What did they see that we didn't ? Think it would be a big mistake to punt Stanton and maybe Handling and Harris. Thoughts please.

Who said he wasn't good enough for us?

**Pretty Boy** · 03-07-2015 07:29 AM

Tbh I'm utterly stunned Perntreou has ended up at an EPL side. He was always a weak link in the development side imo and had a few poor games that I saw last season. He was a big lad and vocal though so maybe Crystal Palace think there is something they can work with, I'd be very surprised if he makes it at that level even allowing for his age which is young in goalkeeping terms.

There's always a bit mumping and moaning when we release youngsters but I struggle to think of any who have gone on to have successful careers at a comparable or better level than Hibs. In the last 10 years I can't think of one.

**TheFamous1875** · 03-07-2015 07:32 AM

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Tbh I'm utterly stunned Perntreou has ended up at an EPL side. He was always a weak link in the development side imo and had a few poor games that I saw last season. He was a big lad and vocal though so maybe Crystal Palace think there is something they can work with, I'd be very surprised if he makes it at that level even allowing for his age which is young in goalkeeping terms.

There's always a bit mumping and moaning when we release youngsters but I struggle to think of any who have gone on to have successful careers at a comparable or better level than Hibs. In the last 10 years I can't think of one.

Kirk Broadfoot?

**Pretty Boy** · 03-07-2015 07:36 AM

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Kirk Broadfoot?

Over 10 years ago and if memory serves me correctly Broadfoot asked to be released as he wanted to move back west.

***Speedy*** · 03-07-2015 07:49 AM

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A bit concerned about the amount of youngsters who have had the boot in the last year or so, Perntreau I believe has just signed for Crystal Palace, , good enough for an EPL club but not for us. What did they see that we didn't ? Think it would be a big mistake to punt Stanton and maybe Handling and Harris. Thoughts please.

I've not seen enough of him to comment on his ability but you have to remember that they have a lot more money to punt on youngsters.

If 1 in 50 makes the first team it's probably a good investment for them. We can't afford to hold on to everyone in hope.

***erin go bragh*** · 03-07-2015 08:16 AM

The boy Scougal ( spelling ) but can't think of any in the last three years .

GGTTH

**since90plustwo** · 03-07-2015 09:22 AM

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Kirk Broadfoot?

Sean Welsh. Captain of a premiership side.

**Smartie** · 03-07-2015 09:32 AM

If you'd have asked me at some point last season which player of ours would get a move to a Premiership club, Perntreau would have been about the last one I would have guessed.

Good luck to the lad - it's a great move for him.

But let's wait until he's made a few blinding first team performances before we start getting too critical of Hibs over this.

As has been mentioned above, they haven't got too many of these wrong over the years.

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 03-07-2015 09:58 AM

Nothing against the lad but how has he managed that?! Everytime I seen him he has been average at best, usually poor.

**ancient hibee** · 03-07-2015 10:14 AM

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OP. I would have kept Perntreau because keepers get better with age, and anyone Stubbs brings in now will only be a cheap backup to Oxley
As for Stanton I can't get my head round this, everyone who knows anything about football says he is an exceptional talent,. What makes matters worses is Cummings is the only development player who regularly gets a game in the first team, totally disappointed with that stat when you consider the amount of young players who break thru at other clubs!

Your second point shows why the entire youth set up has been revamped.Over the past few years it has often been said that we had a great and successful system for bringing players through despite the complete lack of evidence for this.

**lochhibs** · 03-07-2015 10:19 AM

He'll be about 4th choice at palace. Same instance with handling,Stanton and Harris,Stubbs is seeing them every day in training. I'd rather Stanton and Harris stayed but if Stubbs doesn't see it in them and wants to move them on that's good enough for me.

**TowerHibs** · 03-07-2015 10:35 AM

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Sean Welsh. Captain of a premiership side.

who plays about 5 games a season. Chocolate balls

johnbc70 · 03-07-2015 10:43 AM

Have we ever brought a goalie through from the youth team who went on and established themselves in the first team? Chris Reid does not count as he played 35 games in 10 years.

***lord bunberry*** · 03-07-2015 11:36 AM

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He'll be about 4th choice at palace. Same instance with handling,Stanton and Harris,Stubbs is seeing them every day in training. I'd rather Stanton and Harris stayed but if Stubbs doesn't see it in them and wants to move them on that's good enough for me.

He was third choice at a Scottish championship team. Mark Oxley was fourth choice at Hull. I've never seen this guy play, but a team playing at a significantly higher level than us think he's got something about him. As you say Stubbs has decided to let him go so we just have to move on.

**ekhibee** · 03-07-2015 12:18 PM

I saw him 2 or 3 times, and unlike a few people on here I thought he was alright, a young keeper who would definitely improve. Good luck to him down there anyway.

**Sammy7nil** · 03-07-2015 12:20 PM

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Tbh I'm utterly stunned Perntreou has ended up at an EPL side. He was always a weak link in the development side imo and had a few poor games that I saw last season. He was a big lad and vocal though so maybe Crystal Palace think there is something they can work with, I'd be very surprised if he makes it at that level even allowing for his age which is young in goalkeeping terms.

There's always a bit mumping and moaning when we release youngsters but I struggle to think of any who have gone on to have successful careers at a comparable or better level than Hibs. In the last 10 years I can't think of one.

Wotherspoon ?

**Mcpakeisgod** · 03-07-2015 01:49 PM

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Wotherspoon ?

Different, wasn't released as a youngster, was released as an average regular In the squad

***lord bunberry*** · 03-07-2015 02:26 PM

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Different, wasn't released as a youngster, was released as an average regular In the squad

He wasn't released, he turned down a new deal.

**Ronniekirk** · 03-07-2015 02:33 PM

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Over 10 years ago and if memory serves me correctly Broadfoot asked to be released as he wanted to move back west.

Your memory is spot on

**Mcpakeisgod** · 03-07-2015 02:36 PM

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He wasn't released, he turned down a new deal.

Just going by what the news said at the time

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23147403

**Smartie** · 03-07-2015 02:37 PM

I'd be astonished if somewhere there is a former Hibs manager lying awake at night wondering how they managed to let Kirk Broadfoot slip through the club's fingers.

***bigwheel*** · 03-07-2015 02:39 PM

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I'd be astonished if somewhere there is a former Hibs manager lying awake at night wondering how they managed to let Kirk Broadfoot slip through the club's fingers.

hahaha never a truer post ....

**Big L** · 03-07-2015 03:47 PM

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Who said he wasn't good enough for us?

AS freed him, obviously didn't think he was good enough!!

***Scouse Hibee*** · 03-07-2015 03:54 PM

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AS freed him, obviously didn't think he was good enough!!

Nope could have freed him for a number of reasons.

**KWJ** · 03-07-2015 06:19 PM

Newcastle signed Tony Caig. Should we not have let him go because a prem team wanted him?

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